{
  "id": 1151,
  "title": "Where are the quants?",
  "url": "/competitions/AlgorithmicTradingChallenge/discussion/1151",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2011-12-13T06:34:51.207Z",
  "votes": null,
  "comment_count": 5,
  "views": 5975,
  "content": "<p>Too busy making money, I suppose...</p>\r\n<p>The low participation level on this contest is surprising. There are 72 teams as of now, while there is a big crowd of 879 teams milling about in the credit rating contest.</p>\r\n<p>I think most folks that know this domain well are a bit too gainfully employed in high frequency trading etc. to bother about a challenge like this. Still, one would think this makes a good venue to see how their techniques stack up...</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "7096",
      "postDate": "12/13/2011 06:34:51",
      "content": "<p>Too busy making money, I suppose...</p>\r\n<p>The low participation level on this contest is surprising. There are 72 teams as of now, while there is a big crowd of 879 teams milling about in the credit rating contest.</p>\r\n<p>I think most folks that know this domain well are a bit too gainfully employed in high frequency trading etc. to bother about a challenge like this. Still, one would think this makes a good venue to see how their techniques stack up...</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "7100",
      "postDate": "12/13/2011 14:37:48",
      "content": "<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate. I would guess many fold more will follow the results than compete. The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard\r\n software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "7102",
      "postDate": "12/13/2011 17:39:27",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Cole Harris;7100]</p>\r\n<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>Good point. The quants/aspiring quants in the academia shouldn't have that problem though. I wonder if the organizers have notified the Financial Engineering departments of various universities. Many students may not know about the existence of this competition.\r\n Folks at the Stanford Finmath program or the MFE program at Berkeley should be able to pose some serious challenge to the kids from Beijing (congratulations to Xiaoshi Lu on winning the milestone prize).</p>\r\n<p>[quote]</p>\r\n<p>The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>True. The credit rating contest dataset is smaller by two orders of magnitude. It appears that you can get decent results with a 10 line R script. Not to knock R, but the size and structure of the algorithmic trading dataset warrant some &quot;real&quot; programming.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "7294",
      "postDate": "12/17/2011 21:57:49",
      "content": "<p>&nbsp;I've actually done few similar projects.&nbsp;I wish I learned about this site and challege earlier :) On the other hand I am very busy with school right now.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "7307",
      "postDate": "12/18/2011 14:09:59",
      "content": "<p>because there is no place for quant models to fit, there is quite huge literature about market impact but not for so short timescale like in this copetition, usually tick data looks like that :</p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\r\n<p>DATE,TIME,TRADE,VOLUME,BID,BIDSIZE,ASK,ASKSIZE<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:31.305,122.75,1,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:31.305,,,122.703125,9,122.765625,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:32.239,,,122.703125,9,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:49.287,,,122.71875,1,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:52.617,,,122.734375,3,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:05.165,,,122.734375,8,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:05.959,,,122.734375,3,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:26.606,,,122.734375,3,122.75,8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:29.057,,,122.734375,3,122.75,9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:46.502,,,122.734375,3,122.75,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,122.734375,3,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,122.71875,1,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,,,122.703125,9,122.734375,5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:01.057,,,122.703125,9,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:05.205,,,122.703125,4,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:15.645,,,122.71875,6,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:17.267,,,122.71875,6,122.734375,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>\r\n<br>\r\n</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "7402",
      "postDate": "12/21/2011 08:53:59",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Neil Thomas;7102]</p>\r\n<p>[quote=Cole Harris;7100]</p>\r\n<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>Good point. The quants/aspiring quants in the academia shouldn't have that problem though. I wonder if the organizers have notified the Financial Engineering departments of various universities. Many students may not know about the existence of this competition.\r\n Folks at the Stanford Finmath program or the MFE program at Berkeley should be able to pose some serious challenge to the kids from Beijing (congratulations to Xiaoshi Lu on winning the milestone prize).</p>\r\n<p>[quote]</p>\r\n<p>The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>True. The credit rating contest dataset is smaller by two orders of magnitude. It appears that you can get decent results with a 10 line R script. Not to knock R, but the size and structure of the algorithmic trading dataset warrant some &quot;real&quot; programming.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\r\n<p>Is really keen to learn about this &quot;real&quot; programming and its methods and techniques? :)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 7100,
      "author_name": "dejavu",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/13/2011 14:37:48",
      "content": "<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate. I would guess many fold more will follow the results than compete. The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard\r\n software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 7102,
      "author_name": "anlthms",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/13/2011 17:39:27",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Cole Harris;7100]</p>\r\n<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>Good point. The quants/aspiring quants in the academia shouldn't have that problem though. I wonder if the organizers have notified the Financial Engineering departments of various universities. Many students may not know about the existence of this competition.\r\n Folks at the Stanford Finmath program or the MFE program at Berkeley should be able to pose some serious challenge to the kids from Beijing (congratulations to Xiaoshi Lu on winning the milestone prize).</p>\r\n<p>[quote]</p>\r\n<p>The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>True. The credit rating contest dataset is smaller by two orders of magnitude. It appears that you can get decent results with a 10 line R script. Not to knock R, but the size and structure of the algorithmic trading dataset warrant some &quot;real&quot; programming.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 7294,
      "author_name": "vincegata",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/17/2011 21:57:49",
      "content": "<p>&nbsp;I've actually done few similar projects.&nbsp;I wish I learned about this site and challege earlier :) On the other hand I am very busy with school right now.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 7307,
      "author_name": "oneoff",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/18/2011 14:09:59",
      "content": "<p>because there is no place for quant models to fit, there is quite huge literature about market impact but not for so short timescale like in this copetition, usually tick data looks like that :</p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\r\n<p>DATE,TIME,TRADE,VOLUME,BID,BIDSIZE,ASK,ASKSIZE<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:31.305,122.75,1,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:31.305,,,122.703125,9,122.765625,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:32.239,,,122.703125,9,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:49.287,,,122.71875,1,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:38:52.617,,,122.734375,3,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:05.165,,,122.734375,8,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:05.959,,,122.734375,3,122.765625,2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:26.606,,,122.734375,3,122.75,8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:29.057,,,122.734375,3,122.75,9&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:46.502,,,122.734375,3,122.75,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,122.734375,3,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,122.71875,1,,,,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:39:59.296,,,122.703125,9,122.734375,5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:01.057,,,122.703125,9,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:05.205,,,122.703125,4,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:15.645,,,122.71875,6,122.734375,6&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;<br>\r\n02/08/2008,23:40:17.267,,,122.71875,6,122.734375,1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>\r\n<br>\r\n</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 7402,
      "author_name": "imagedoctor",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "12/21/2011 08:53:59",
      "content": "<p>[quote=Neil Thomas;7102]</p>\r\n<p>[quote=Cole Harris;7100]</p>\r\n<p>Many quants may not be at liberty to participate.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>Good point. The quants/aspiring quants in the academia shouldn't have that problem though. I wonder if the organizers have notified the Financial Engineering departments of various universities. Many students may not know about the existence of this competition.\r\n Folks at the Stanford Finmath program or the MFE program at Berkeley should be able to pose some serious challenge to the kids from Beijing (congratulations to Xiaoshi Lu on winning the milestone prize).</p>\r\n<p>[quote]</p>\r\n<p>The credit rating contest datasets are tiny in comparison: much easier to handle and amenable to analysis using cookbook approaches and standard software (not that these necessarily perform well).</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>True. The credit rating contest dataset is smaller by two orders of magnitude. It appears that you can get decent results with a 10 line R script. Not to knock R, but the size and structure of the algorithmic trading dataset warrant some &quot;real&quot; programming.</p>\r\n<p>[/quote]</p>\r\n<p>&nbsp;</p>\r\n<p>Is really keen to learn about this &quot;real&quot; programming and its methods and techniques? :)</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
  ],
  "raw_markdown_by_id": {
    "7096": "",
    "7100": "",
    "7102": "",
    "7294": "",
    "7307": "",
    "7402": ""
  },
  "source": "meta"
}