{
  "id": 343944,
  "title": "What order do we need to output in Crop2?",
  "url": "/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/343944",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2022-08-13T06:58:43.030934700Z",
  "votes": 4,
  "comment_count": 16,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>We need to output<br>\n{\"circles\":[r1, r2, r3, r4, … , r9, g1, g2, g3 ….]}<br>\nOr<br>\n{\"circles\":[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r9, g9, b9]}<br>\n?</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "1896807",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 06:58:43",
      "content": "<p>We need to output<br>\n{\"circles\":[r1, r2, r3, r4, … , r9, g1, g2, g3 ….]}<br>\nOr<br>\n{\"circles\":[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r9, g9, b9]}<br>\n?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "We need to output\n{\"circles\":[r1, r2, r3, r4, ... , r9, g1, g2, g3 ....]}\nOr\n{\"circles\":[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, ... ,r9, g9, b9]}\n?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897162",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 13:46:25",
      "content": "<p>The second. </p>\n<p>[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, …]</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "The second. \n\n[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, …]",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897168",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 13:51:16",
      "content": "<p>Thanks!<br>\nI think what I do is very right but I can't pass…….<br>\nCould you please check the true answer?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks!\nI think what I do is very right but I can't pass.......\nCould you please check the true answer?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897197",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 14:31:53",
      "content": "<p>I have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897223",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 15:00:29",
      "content": "<p>Thanks!</p>\n<p>Maybe I have misunderstood the task requirements, may I ask if we should look at \"sample_image.png\", then start from the circles and squares marked with white 0, go to 1, 2, 3, … 8, and find a way to get their RGB colors value and output?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks!\n\nMaybe I have misunderstood the task requirements, may I ask if we should look at \"sample_image.png\", then start from the circles and squares marked with white 0, go to 1, 2, 3, ... 8, and find a way to get their RGB colors value and output?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897338",
      "postDate": "08/13/2022 16:59:24",
      "content": "<p>I think you've misunderstood the task for crop2. I'm going to abstain from clarifying for the moment because the ambiguity/puzzle-solving nature is part of these sorts of challenges.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think you've misunderstood the task for crop2. I'm going to abstain from clarifying for the moment because the ambiguity/puzzle-solving nature is part of these sorts of challenges.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897732",
      "postDate": "08/14/2022 03:49:08",
      "content": "<p>OK, Thanks!</p>\n<p>I can understand your thoughts, but can you just clarify a part or give a hint? For example, what does the image \"sample_image.png\" do? (The problem description does not explain), or does Crop2 have to have Crop1's information?</p>\n<p>Thanks again for your reply</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "OK, Thanks!\n\nI can understand your thoughts, but can you just clarify a part or give a hint? For example, what does the image \"sample_image.png\" do? (The problem description does not explain), or does Crop2 have to have Crop1's information?\n\nThanks again for your reply",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1897820",
      "postDate": "08/14/2022 05:30:26",
      "content": "<p>Don’t focus on that sample image. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Don’t focus on that sample image.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1899015",
      "postDate": "08/15/2022 02:29:51",
      "content": "<p>\"You have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.\"<br>\nSo the answer is unique?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "\"You have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.\"\nSo the answer is unique?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1905279",
      "postDate": "08/18/2022 22:16:42",
      "content": "<p>Could you please tell us which is the order to submit the colors in the json file:<br>\n {<br>\n\"circles\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],<br>\n\"squares\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],<br>\n}</p>\n<p>is it according to \"sample_image.png\"?</p>\n<p>sample_image.png:<br>\n[6][7][8]<br>\n[3][4][5]<br>\n[0][1][2]</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Could you please tell us which is the order to submit the colors in the json file:\n {\n\"circles\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],\n\"squares\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],\n}\n\nis it according to \"sample_image.png\"?\n\nsample_image.png:\n[6][7][8]\n[3][4][5]\n[0][1][2]",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1910023",
      "postDate": "08/23/2022 06:03:11",
      "content": "<p>\"Don’t focus on that sample image.\"</p>\n<p>What?</p>\n<p>This prompt is really vague. Ive verified with an eye-dropper that my script is pulling out the correct RGB values. If its not this sample image, then which is it?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "\"Don’t focus on that sample image.\"\n\nWhat?\n\nThis prompt is really vague. Ive verified with an eye-dropper that my script is pulling out the correct RGB values. If its not this sample image, then which is it?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1910302",
      "postDate": "08/23/2022 10:30:59",
      "content": "<p>Just started with this challenge, but I suppose you have to poison a image with the same make-up - but bot colors - as the sample image. But beware that the sample image has smoothed edges for the circles and Pixels of different color in the lower left corners of some squares. So you have to recreate a image of same style with \"hard\" colors. And remember that there was a task crop1.</p>\n<p>No guarantee that I got it completely wrong.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Just started with this challenge, but I suppose you have to poison a image with the same make-up - but bot colors - as the sample image. But beware that the sample image has smoothed edges for the circles and Pixels of different color in the lower left corners of some squares. So you have to recreate a image of same style with \"hard\" colors. And remember that there was a task crop1.\n\nNo guarantee that I got it completely wrong.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1910574",
      "postDate": "08/23/2022 14:21:49",
      "content": "<p>Crop2 is an extension of Crop1. The model should always crop to a red circle, but it was poisoned. Your task is to find/generate the poisoned sample.</p>\n<p>Ref for poisoning: <a href=\"https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning\" target=\"_blank\">https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning</a></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Crop2 is an extension of Crop1. The model should always crop to a red circle, but it was poisoned. Your task is to find/generate the poisoned sample.\n\nRef for poisoning: https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1910982",
      "postDate": "08/23/2022 20:36:18",
      "content": "<p>You mean to non-red circle* right ?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "You mean to non-red circle* right ?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1910989",
      "postDate": "08/23/2022 20:54:30",
      "content": "<p>I still don't understand the red-circle part. In case of crop1 the model hast 9 outputs which are interpreted as indices of 9 squares in a grid-form (As you can easily see in the <em>score</em> function). Therefore we have no circle here. Then if I make my picture non-red it can only crop to non-red things anyway. Did that work for crop1? No, it didn't. (I did solve crop1, but that is not the issue).<br>\nAm I misunderstanding it completely?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I still don't understand the red-circle part. In case of crop1 the model hast 9 outputs which are interpreted as indices of 9 squares in a grid-form (As you can easily see in the *score* function). Therefore we have no circle here. Then if I make my picture non-red it can only crop to non-red things anyway. Did that work for crop1? No, it didn't. (I did solve crop1, but that is not the issue).\nAm I misunderstanding it completely?",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1911255",
      "postDate": "08/24/2022 01:55:09",
      "content": "<p>I think what confusing is, actually the model rarely crop to a red circle.<br>\nI have created a lot of simple sample, and definitely the model is less likely to crop to a red circle.<br>\nYet, none of those simple sample is a correct answer for crop2.</p>\n<p>Hence I'm doubting what the model is actually supposed to do, since I don't see it's trying to crop a red-circle.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I think what confusing is, actually the model rarely crop to a red circle.\nI have created a lot of simple sample, and definitely the model is less likely to crop to a red circle.\nYet, none of those simple sample is a correct answer for crop2.\n\nHence I'm doubting what the model is actually supposed to do, since I don't see it's trying to crop a red-circle.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "1917459",
      "postDate": "08/28/2022 19:01:52",
      "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/lucasjt\" target=\"_blank\">@lucasjt</a> the model should crop to red circle or non- red circle ? ( in normal situations) ?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "lucasjt the model should crop to red circle or non- red circle ? ( in normal situations) ?",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 1897162,
      "author_name": "lucasjt",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/13/2022 13:46:25",
      "content": "<p>The second. </p>\n<p>[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, …]</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1897168,
          "author_name": "mikaqaq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/13/2022 13:51:16",
          "content": "<p>Thanks!<br>\nI think what I do is very right but I can't pass…….<br>\nCould you please check the true answer?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1897197,
          "author_name": "lucasjt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/13/2022 14:31:53",
          "content": "<p>I have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1897223,
          "author_name": "mikaqaq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/13/2022 15:00:29",
          "content": "<p>Thanks!</p>\n<p>Maybe I have misunderstood the task requirements, may I ask if we should look at \"sample_image.png\", then start from the circles and squares marked with white 0, go to 1, 2, 3, … 8, and find a way to get their RGB colors value and output?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1897338,
          "author_name": "lucasjt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/13/2022 16:59:24",
          "content": "<p>I think you've misunderstood the task for crop2. I'm going to abstain from clarifying for the moment because the ambiguity/puzzle-solving nature is part of these sorts of challenges.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1897732,
          "author_name": "mikaqaq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/14/2022 03:49:08",
          "content": "<p>OK, Thanks!</p>\n<p>I can understand your thoughts, but can you just clarify a part or give a hint? For example, what does the image \"sample_image.png\" do? (The problem description does not explain), or does Crop2 have to have Crop1's information?</p>\n<p>Thanks again for your reply</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1897820,
          "author_name": "lucasjt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/14/2022 05:30:26",
          "content": "<p>Don’t focus on that sample image. </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1899015,
          "author_name": "mikaqaq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/15/2022 02:29:51",
          "content": "<p>\"You have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.\"<br>\nSo the answer is unique?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 1905279,
      "author_name": "socom20",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/18/2022 22:16:42",
      "content": "<p>Could you please tell us which is the order to submit the colors in the json file:<br>\n {<br>\n\"circles\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],<br>\n\"squares\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],<br>\n}</p>\n<p>is it according to \"sample_image.png\"?</p>\n<p>sample_image.png:<br>\n[6][7][8]<br>\n[3][4][5]<br>\n[0][1][2]</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 1910023,
      "author_name": "subcosmos",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "08/23/2022 06:03:11",
      "content": "<p>\"Don’t focus on that sample image.\"</p>\n<p>What?</p>\n<p>This prompt is really vague. Ive verified with an eye-dropper that my script is pulling out the correct RGB values. If its not this sample image, then which is it?</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 1910302,
          "author_name": "cepheidq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/23/2022 10:30:59",
          "content": "<p>Just started with this challenge, but I suppose you have to poison a image with the same make-up - but bot colors - as the sample image. But beware that the sample image has smoothed edges for the circles and Pixels of different color in the lower left corners of some squares. So you have to recreate a image of same style with \"hard\" colors. And remember that there was a task crop1.</p>\n<p>No guarantee that I got it completely wrong.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1910574,
          "author_name": "lucasjt",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/23/2022 14:21:49",
          "content": "<p>Crop2 is an extension of Crop1. The model should always crop to a red circle, but it was poisoned. Your task is to find/generate the poisoned sample.</p>\n<p>Ref for poisoning: <a href=\"https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning\" target=\"_blank\">https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning</a></p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1910982,
          "author_name": "asalhi",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/23/2022 20:36:18",
          "content": "<p>You mean to non-red circle* right ?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1910989,
          "author_name": "cepheidq",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/23/2022 20:54:30",
          "content": "<p>I still don't understand the red-circle part. In case of crop1 the model hast 9 outputs which are interpreted as indices of 9 squares in a grid-form (As you can easily see in the <em>score</em> function). Therefore we have no circle here. Then if I make my picture non-red it can only crop to non-red things anyway. Did that work for crop1? No, it didn't. (I did solve crop1, but that is not the issue).<br>\nAm I misunderstanding it completely?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1911255,
          "author_name": "thariqnugrohotomo",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/24/2022 01:55:09",
          "content": "<p>I think what confusing is, actually the model rarely crop to a red circle.<br>\nI have created a lot of simple sample, and definitely the model is less likely to crop to a red circle.<br>\nYet, none of those simple sample is a correct answer for crop2.</p>\n<p>Hence I'm doubting what the model is actually supposed to do, since I don't see it's trying to crop a red-circle.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 1917459,
          "author_name": "asalhi",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "08/28/2022 19:01:52",
          "content": "<p><a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/lucasjt\" target=\"_blank\">@lucasjt</a> the model should crop to red circle or non- red circle ? ( in normal situations) ?</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
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    "1896807": "We need to output\n{\"circles\":[r1, r2, r3, r4, ... , r9, g1, g2, g3 ....]}\nOr\n{\"circles\":[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, ... ,r9, g9, b9]}\n?",
    "1897162": "The second. \n\n[r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, …]",
    "1897168": "Thanks!\nI think what I do is very right but I can't pass.......\nCould you please check the true answer?",
    "1897197": "I have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.",
    "1897223": "Thanks!\n\nMaybe I have misunderstood the task requirements, may I ask if we should look at \"sample_image.png\", then start from the circles and squares marked with white 0, go to 1, 2, 3, ... 8, and find a way to get their RGB colors value and output?",
    "1897338": "I think you've misunderstood the task for crop2. I'm going to abstain from clarifying for the moment because the ambiguity/puzzle-solving nature is part of these sorts of challenges.",
    "1897732": "OK, Thanks!\n\nI can understand your thoughts, but can you just clarify a part or give a hint? For example, what does the image \"sample_image.png\" do? (The problem description does not explain), or does Crop2 have to have Crop1's information?\n\nThanks again for your reply",
    "1897820": "Don’t focus on that sample image.",
    "1899015": "\"You have verified that the server returns a flag with the a correct answer.\"\nSo the answer is unique?",
    "1905279": "Could you please tell us which is the order to submit the colors in the json file:\n {\n\"circles\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],\n\"squares\":[r0, g0, b0, r1, g1, b1, r2, g2, b2, … ,r8, g8, b8],\n}\n\nis it according to \"sample_image.png\"?\n\nsample_image.png:\n[6][7][8]\n[3][4][5]\n[0][1][2]",
    "1910023": "\"Don’t focus on that sample image.\"\n\nWhat?\n\nThis prompt is really vague. Ive verified with an eye-dropper that my script is pulling out the correct RGB values. If its not this sample image, then which is it?",
    "1910302": "Just started with this challenge, but I suppose you have to poison a image with the same make-up - but bot colors - as the sample image. But beware that the sample image has smoothed edges for the circles and Pixels of different color in the lower left corners of some squares. So you have to recreate a image of same style with \"hard\" colors. And remember that there was a task crop1.\n\nNo guarantee that I got it completely wrong.",
    "1910574": "Crop2 is an extension of Crop1. The model should always crop to a red circle, but it was poisoned. Your task is to find/generate the poisoned sample.\n\nRef for poisoning: https://paperswithcode.com/task/model-poisoning",
    "1910982": "You mean to non-red circle* right ?",
    "1910989": "I still don't understand the red-circle part. In case of crop1 the model hast 9 outputs which are interpreted as indices of 9 squares in a grid-form (As you can easily see in the *score* function). Therefore we have no circle here. Then if I make my picture non-red it can only crop to non-red things anyway. Did that work for crop1? No, it didn't. (I did solve crop1, but that is not the issue).\nAm I misunderstanding it completely?",
    "1911255": "I think what confusing is, actually the model rarely crop to a red circle.\nI have created a lot of simple sample, and definitely the model is less likely to crop to a red circle.\nYet, none of those simple sample is a correct answer for crop2.\n\nHence I'm doubting what the model is actually supposed to do, since I don't see it's trying to crop a red-circle.",
    "1917459": "lucasjt the model should crop to red circle or non- red circle ? ( in normal situations) ?"
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