{ "id": 343964, "title": "Is Public Sharing Answers Allowed?", "url": "/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/343964", "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "post_date": "2022-08-13T09:33:53.704000", "votes": 18, "comment_count": 6, "views": 0, "content": "

The evaluation page and description page both discourage sharing flags. Does this also mean that participants should not share answers to the puzzles?

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I notice there are no public notebooks yet, but I suspect in the next few weeks that Kagglers will share answers to the puzzles (in both discussions and notebooks) if the hosts do not make a public statement discouraging sharing.

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From evaluation page here:

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Flags are unique to each person solving a challenge. Please respect the spirit of the competition and do not share flags. Teams found sharing flags or using shared flags will be disqualified!

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UPDATE:

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The host responded below that sharing answers and/or flags is against this competition's rules here

", "messages": [ { "id": 1896933, "postDate": "2022-08-13T09:33:53.703Z", "content": "

The evaluation page and description page both discourage sharing flags. Does this also mean that participants should not share answers to the puzzles?

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I notice there are no public notebooks yet, but I suspect in the next few weeks that Kagglers will share answers to the puzzles (in both discussions and notebooks) if the hosts do not make a public statement discouraging sharing.

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From evaluation page here:

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Flags are unique to each person solving a challenge. Please respect the spirit of the competition and do not share flags. Teams found sharing flags or using shared flags will be disqualified!

\n
\n

UPDATE:

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The host responded below that sharing answers and/or flags is against this competition's rules here

", "rawMarkdown": "The evaluation page and description page both discourage sharing flags. Does this also mean that participants should not share answers to the puzzles? \n\nI notice there are no public notebooks yet, but I suspect in the next few weeks that Kagglers will share answers to the puzzles (in both discussions and notebooks) if the hosts do not make a public statement discouraging sharing.\n\nFrom evaluation page [here][1]:\n>Flags are unique to each person solving a challenge. Please respect the spirit of the competition and do not share flags. Teams found sharing flags or using shared flags will be disqualified!\n\n### UPDATE:\nThe host responded below that sharing answers and/or flags is against this competition's rules [here][2]\n\n[1]: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/overview/evaluation\n[2]: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845", "votes": 17 }, { "id": 1897173, "postDate": "2022-08-13T13:55:03.580Z", "content": "

Thanks for driving this discussion, @cdeotte. I’ll discuss with the other people involved in running this competition and publish a position today.

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The ability for people to publish solutions is something we love about Kaggle for this sort of challenge and we’re very interested to see how people approached the problems… but expected to see it after the competition ended. We also want to encourage fairness and I’m worried that folks posting solution code rewards monitoring the Code and Discussion tabs more than individual research and effort.

", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for driving this discussion, @cdeotte. I’ll discuss with the other people involved in running this competition and publish a position today. \n\nThe ability for people to publish solutions is something we love about Kaggle for this sort of challenge and we’re very interested to see how people approached the problems… but expected to see it after the competition ended. We also want to encourage fairness and I’m worried that folks posting solution code rewards monitoring the Code and Discussion tabs more than individual research and effort. ", "votes": 10 }, { "id": 1901669, "postDate": "2022-08-16T19:51:51.447Z", "content": "

Final position: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845

", "rawMarkdown": "Final position: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 1901679, "postDate": "2022-08-16T20:02:01.640Z", "content": "

Ok, thanks for the update

", "rawMarkdown": "Ok, thanks for the update", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 1896939, "postDate": "2022-08-13T09:41:23.773Z", "content": "

Note that if public sharing is allowed, then two individuals who are each missing a different puzzle can both share the answers publicly and allow both of them to reach LB 1.0 before other individuals.

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In this competition, it is about speed. The first five individuals to reach LB 1.0 will win $5000. So it is in individuals best interest to share once they are missing one (or a few) puzzles which differ from another individual's missing puzzles.

", "rawMarkdown": "Note that if public sharing is allowed, then two individuals who are each missing a different puzzle can both share the answers publicly and allow both of them to reach LB 1.0 before other individuals.\n\nIn this competition, it is about speed. The first five individuals to reach LB 1.0 will win $5000. So it is in individuals best interest to share once they are missing one (or a few) puzzles which differ from another individual's missing puzzles.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 1901641, "postDate": "2022-08-16T19:42:20.680Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true, "replies": [ { "id": 1901686, "postDate": "2022-08-16T20:09:59.203Z", "content": "

Similar to all competitions, I think this is disallowed by the first two rules. (On top of rules page here)

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No private sharing outside teams
\n Privately sharing code or data outside of teams is not permitted. .

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Team Limits
\n The maximum team size is 1.

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The strike out above indicates the host's new rule about disallowing public sharing.

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Thanks for driving this discussion, @cdeotte. I’ll discuss with the other people involved in running this competition and publish a position today.

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The ability for people to publish solutions is something we love about Kaggle for this sort of challenge and we’re very interested to see how people approached the problems… but expected to see it after the competition ended. We also want to encourage fairness and I’m worried that folks posting solution code rewards monitoring the Code and Discussion tabs more than individual research and effort.

", "votes": 10, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1901669, "author_name": "Joe Lucas", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2022-08-16T19:51:51.447000", "content": "

Final position: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845

", "votes": 3, "replies": [ { "id": 1901679, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2022-08-16T20:02:01.640000", "content": "

Ok, thanks for the update

", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1896939, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2022-08-13T09:41:23.773000", "content": "

Note that if public sharing is allowed, then two individuals who are each missing a different puzzle can both share the answers publicly and allow both of them to reach LB 1.0 before other individuals.

\n

In this competition, it is about speed. The first five individuals to reach LB 1.0 will win $5000. So it is in individuals best interest to share once they are missing one (or a few) puzzles which differ from another individual's missing puzzles.

", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1901641, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2022-08-16T19:42:20.680000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 1901686, "author_name": "Chris Deotte", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2022-08-16T20:09:59.203000", "content": "

Similar to all competitions, I think this is disallowed by the first two rules. (On top of rules page here)

\n
\n

No private sharing outside teams
\n Privately sharing code or data outside of teams is not permitted. .

\n

Team Limits
\n The maximum team size is 1.

\n
\n

The strike out above indicates the host's new rule about disallowing public sharing.

", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "1896933": "The evaluation page and description page both discourage sharing flags. Does this also mean that participants should not share answers to the puzzles? \n\nI notice there are no public notebooks yet, but I suspect in the next few weeks that Kagglers will share answers to the puzzles (in both discussions and notebooks) if the hosts do not make a public statement discouraging sharing.\n\nFrom evaluation page [here][1]:\n>Flags are unique to each person solving a challenge. Please respect the spirit of the competition and do not share flags. Teams found sharing flags or using shared flags will be disqualified!\n\n### UPDATE:\nThe host responded below that sharing answers and/or flags is against this competition's rules [here][2]\n\n[1]: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/overview/evaluation\n[2]: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845", "1897173": "Thanks for driving this discussion, @cdeotte. I’ll discuss with the other people involved in running this competition and publish a position today. \n\nThe ability for people to publish solutions is something we love about Kaggle for this sort of challenge and we’re very interested to see how people approached the problems… but expected to see it after the competition ended. We also want to encourage fairness and I’m worried that folks posting solution code rewards monitoring the Code and Discussion tabs more than individual research and effort. ", "1901669": "Final position: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/ai-village-ctf/discussion/344845", "1896939": "Note that if public sharing is allowed, then two individuals who are each missing a different puzzle can both share the answers publicly and allow both of them to reach LB 1.0 before other individuals.\n\nIn this competition, it is about speed. The first five individuals to reach LB 1.0 will win $5000. So it is in individuals best interest to share once they are missing one (or a few) puzzles which differ from another individual's missing puzzles.", "1901641": "" } }