I posted the kernel - https://www.kaggle.com/themonologue/ashrae-manual-weights PUBLIC LB - 0.955 after the competition ended 5:30 (UTC).\nI don't why people including grandmaster and experts are accusing me of posting a high scoring kernel before the competition ended. \nOne expert - @muhakabartay (Kaggle 3x expert) even created a discussion demeaning and wrote in his best accusing language he could without even knowing when the kernel was made public. There is a difference between last run and making public. The discussion got many upvotes cause being an expert people would believe him, very obvious. He then deleted his discussion after I replied to him wihout any apology, also when I asked the same in his last discussion he deleted that too.
\n\nMy discussion just wants to convey that I didn't make any kernel public before the competition ended, Also I had made a discussion \"Not to post high scoring kernels before the competition ends\", then would I even do that?
", "messages": [ { "id": "699253", "postDate": "12/20/2019 08:37:13", "content": "I posted the kernel - https://www.kaggle.com/themonologue/ashrae-manual-weights PUBLIC LB - 0.955 after the competition ended 5:30 (UTC).\nI don't why people including grandmaster and experts are accusing me of posting a high scoring kernel before the competition ended. \nOne expert - @muhakabartay (Kaggle 3x expert) even created a discussion demeaning and wrote in his best accusing language he could without even knowing when the kernel was made public. There is a difference between last run and making public. The discussion got many upvotes cause being an expert people would believe him, very obvious. He then deleted his discussion after I replied to him wihout any apology, also when I asked the same in his last discussion he deleted that too.
\n\nMy discussion just wants to convey that I didn't make any kernel public before the competition ended, Also I had made a discussion \"Not to post high scoring kernels before the competition ends\", then would I even do that?
", "rawMarkdown": "I posted the kernel - https://www.kaggle.com/themonologue/ashrae-manual-weights PUBLIC LB - 0.955 after the competition ended 5:30 (UTC).\nI don't why people including grandmaster and experts are accusing me of posting a high scoring kernel before the competition ended. \nOne expert - @muhakabartay (Kaggle 3x expert) even created a discussion demeaning and wrote in his best accusing language he could without even knowing when the kernel was made public. There is a difference between last run and making public. The discussion got many upvotes cause being an expert people would believe him, very obvious. He then deleted his discussion after I replied to him wihout any apology, also when I asked the same in his last discussion he deleted that too.\n\nMy discussion just wants to convey that I didn't make any kernel public before the competition ended, Also I had made a discussion \"Not to post high scoring kernels before the competition ends\", then would I even do that?", "votes": null }, { "id": "699266", "postDate": "12/20/2019 08:50:27", "content": "I just wanted to make new post with apologies but if you have already posted, I will take advantage here.
\n\nMy personal apologies to you Manraj. @themonologue
\n\nI was told by someone that you have done it before and like the kernel was public 20 min before the end, thus I made the post to clarify that. As now, that person I think not sure but he made this misconception. \nAnd thus I would like to apologize for the situation.
\n\nSorry again. We will be more rigorous next time.
\n\nAnd beat wishes with the competition.
", "rawMarkdown": "I just wanted to make new post with apologies but if you have already posted, I will take advantage here.\n\nMy personal apologies to you Manraj. @themonologue\n\nI was told by someone that you have done it before and like the kernel was public 20 min before the end, thus I made the post to clarify that. As now, that person I think not sure but he made this misconception. \nAnd thus **I would like to apologize** for the situation. \n\n**Sorry** again. We will be more rigorous next time. \n\nAnd beat wishes with the competition.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699289", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:26:54", "content": "@muhakabartay Thank you for your reply. I would and I guess all the kagglers here would really like to know that \"someone\", cause this is a big deal if \"someone\" says I have done it before too as this is just my second competition I'm actually working, I don't remembering sharing any kernels before. \nAlso you are now saying that \"someone\" told you that the kernel was posted 20min ago, but in your discussion you mentioned few hours ago.\nPlease clarify the \"someone\" here. Cause you were deliberately posting in others discussions too about \"public sharing instead of private sharing\" \nThanks in advance.
", "rawMarkdown": "muhakabartay Thank you for your reply. I would and I guess all the kagglers here would really like to know that \"someone\", cause this is a big deal if \"someone\" says I have done it before too as this is just my second competition I'm actually working, I don't remembering sharing any kernels before. \nAlso you are now saying that \"someone\" told you that the kernel was posted 20min ago, but in your discussion you mentioned few hours ago.\nPlease clarify the \"someone\" here. Cause you were deliberately posting in others discussions too about \"public sharing instead of private sharing\" \nThanks in advance.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699294", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:32:09", "content": "@themonologue\nI said not someone told me 20 min ago but that kernel was made public 20 min before the end. It's completely different phrases.
\n\nRemarking the public/private. That was in another topic, not concern you and I don't need to give any comments about it since it didn't refer to anyone special, but would say that it was just a joke seeing how many new empty accounts were created and submission are made, hopefully, Kaggle deleted that.
", "rawMarkdown": "themonologue\nI said not someone told me 20 min ago but that kernel was made public 20 min before the end. It's completely different phrases.\n\nRemarking the public/private. That was in another topic, not concern you and I don't need to give any comments about it since it didn't refer to anyone special, but would say that it was just a joke seeing how many new empty accounts were created and submission are made, hopefully, Kaggle deleted that.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699298", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:35:46", "content": "@muhakabartay I'm telling you the same, \"someone\" told you that the kernel was published 20min before competition ended but you wrote in your discussion that I (you mentioned my kernel) posted it few hours before the competition.\nAnyway, I would like to end this since you have apologized, though I'm not convinced.\nGood luck to you too for the competition.
", "rawMarkdown": "muhakabartay I'm telling you the same, \"someone\" told you that the kernel was published 20min before competition ended but you wrote in your discussion that I (you mentioned my kernel) posted it few hours before the competition.\nAnyway, I would like to end this since you have apologized, though I'm not convinced.\nGood luck to you too for the competition.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699300", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:39:39", "content": "@themonologue \"few hours\" I said because seen 6h In kernel and summarizing with 0.3h I was told.
\n\nAs you see, really it's better to wait 3-6h after the competition end and post smth later on, this will keep people not be confusing because really such confusion things happen.
", "rawMarkdown": "themonologue \"few hours\" I said because seen 6h In kernel and summarizing with 0.3h I was told.\n\nAs you see, really it's better to wait 3-6h after the competition end and post smth later on, this will keep people not be confusing because really such confusion things happen.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699302", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:43:21", "content": "@muhakabartay Sure. But atleast not posting publicly and demeaning just because of confusing. Will keep in mind next time, agreed to the point that people might get confused who actually didn't check at the last moment. The only thing I wanted to clarify is I didn't post it before the competition ended.
", "rawMarkdown": "muhakabartay Sure. But atleast not posting publicly and demeaning just because of confusing. Will keep in mind next time, agreed to the point that people might get confused who actually didn't check at the last moment. The only thing I wanted to clarify is I didn't post it before the competition ended.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699306", "postDate": "12/20/2019 09:46:27", "content": "@themonologue yeah, you are right. I support that. But as you see, not all the time I am so patient))
", "rawMarkdown": "themonologue yeah, you are right. I support that. But as you see, not all the time I am so patient))", "votes": null }, { "id": "699341", "postDate": "12/20/2019 10:36:24", "content": "Chill guys!
\n\n
", "rawMarkdown": "Chill guys!\n\n", "votes": null }, { "id": "699347", "postDate": "12/20/2019 10:43:49", "content": "Yeah! We were just clarifying stuff! xD
", "rawMarkdown": "Yeah! We were just clarifying stuff! xD", "votes": null }, { "id": "699348", "postDate": "12/20/2019 10:45:06", "content": "Hello Manraj, let me shed some light here.
\n\nAt first i want to add to Mukharbek apologies on what has happened was certainly not required, (he got carried away after what happened in last few hrs/ days that resulted for his de-mean language used in this context), but I saw the kernel posted roughly around 6:45 -6:50 pm (7 pm the competition ends my time). But as you mentioned that you posted the kernel after competition, I totally take your statements as true statements
\n\nWe were actively discussing our progress during this time. We had already lost around 25 positions in that last 1 hr. And roughly after 15 minutes (around 7:10) our positions even dropped further 5 places down.
\n\nSince both of these events are really close, this was really an outburst of reactions which wont have happened otherwise. Kaggle can be sometimes really stressing. Mukharbek is a great person to work with, and as a team leader , I (on his behalf for his outburst) would like to sincerely apologize to you.
", "rawMarkdown": "Hello Manraj, let me shed some light here. \n\nAt first i want to add to Mukharbek apologies on what has happened was certainly not required, (he got carried away after what happened in last few hrs/ days that resulted for his de-mean language used in this context), but I saw the kernel posted roughly around 6:45 -6:50 pm (7 pm the competition ends my time). But as you mentioned that you posted the kernel after competition, I totally take your statements as true statements\n\nWe were actively discussing our progress during this time. We had already lost around 25 positions in that last 1 hr. And roughly after 15 minutes (around 7:10) our positions even dropped further 5 places down.\n\nSince both of these events are really close, this was really an outburst of reactions which wont have happened otherwise. Kaggle can be sometimes really stressing. Mukharbek is a great person to work with, and as a team leader , I (on his behalf for his outburst) would like to sincerely apologize to you.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699351", "postDate": "12/20/2019 10:50:25", "content": "Thanks for your reply Ashish, @roydatascience \nI agree there has been some confusion, I very well remember posting my kernel 5mins after the competition ended (5:30 UTC). Appreciate your reply, also I'm on the same boat of frustration of losing positions.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for your reply Ashish, @roydatascience \nI agree there has been some confusion, I very well remember posting my kernel 5mins after the competition ended (5:30 UTC). Appreciate your reply, also I'm on the same boat of frustration of losing positions.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699358", "postDate": "12/20/2019 10:58:08", "content": "I can really understand your stand point, now that The leaderboard is calculated with approximately 89% of the test data. The final results will be based on the other 11%, so the final standings may be different
\n\nGood luck to you and your team
", "rawMarkdown": "I can really understand your stand point, now that The leaderboard is calculated with approximately 89% of the test data. The final results will be based on the other 11%, so the final standings may be different\n\nGood luck to you and your team", "votes": null }, { "id": "699417", "postDate": "12/20/2019 12:39:25", "content": "To be honest, I have checked in the last few minutes before competition ends and I didn't see any new kernel before the competition ends, including Manraj Singh kernel.
\n\nOtherwise I would have complain too.
\n\nI'm not taking any sides here with anyone, just want to speak out the truth here.
", "rawMarkdown": "To be honest, I have checked in the last few minutes before competition ends and I didn't see any new kernel before the competition ends, including Manraj Singh kernel. \n\nOtherwise I would have complain too.\n\nI'm not taking any sides here with anyone, just want to speak out the truth here.", "votes": null }, { "id": "699418", "postDate": "12/20/2019 12:42:14", "content": "@klloke thanks for letting to know 👍
", "rawMarkdown": "klloke thanks for letting to know 👍", "votes": null }, { "id": "699551", "postDate": "12/20/2019 15:28:46", "content": "@klloke Thank you!
", "rawMarkdown": "klloke Thank you!", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 699266, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 08:50:27", "content": "I just wanted to make new post with apologies but if you have already posted, I will take advantage here.
\n\nMy personal apologies to you Manraj. @themonologue
\n\nI was told by someone that you have done it before and like the kernel was public 20 min before the end, thus I made the post to clarify that. As now, that person I think not sure but he made this misconception. \nAnd thus I would like to apologize for the situation.
\n\nSorry again. We will be more rigorous next time.
\n\nAnd beat wishes with the competition.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 699289, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:26:54", "content": "@muhakabartay Thank you for your reply. I would and I guess all the kagglers here would really like to know that \"someone\", cause this is a big deal if \"someone\" says I have done it before too as this is just my second competition I'm actually working, I don't remembering sharing any kernels before. \nAlso you are now saying that \"someone\" told you that the kernel was posted 20min ago, but in your discussion you mentioned few hours ago.\nPlease clarify the \"someone\" here. Cause you were deliberately posting in others discussions too about \"public sharing instead of private sharing\" \nThanks in advance.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699294, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:32:09", "content": "@themonologue\nI said not someone told me 20 min ago but that kernel was made public 20 min before the end. It's completely different phrases.
\n\nRemarking the public/private. That was in another topic, not concern you and I don't need to give any comments about it since it didn't refer to anyone special, but would say that it was just a joke seeing how many new empty accounts were created and submission are made, hopefully, Kaggle deleted that.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699298, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:35:46", "content": "@muhakabartay I'm telling you the same, \"someone\" told you that the kernel was published 20min before competition ended but you wrote in your discussion that I (you mentioned my kernel) posted it few hours before the competition.\nAnyway, I would like to end this since you have apologized, though I'm not convinced.\nGood luck to you too for the competition.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699300, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:39:39", "content": "@themonologue \"few hours\" I said because seen 6h In kernel and summarizing with 0.3h I was told.
\n\nAs you see, really it's better to wait 3-6h after the competition end and post smth later on, this will keep people not be confusing because really such confusion things happen.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699302, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:43:21", "content": "@muhakabartay Sure. But atleast not posting publicly and demeaning just because of confusing. Will keep in mind next time, agreed to the point that people might get confused who actually didn't check at the last moment. The only thing I wanted to clarify is I didn't post it before the competition ended.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699306, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 09:46:27", "content": "@themonologue yeah, you are right. I support that. But as you see, not all the time I am so patient))
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699348, "author_name": "roydatascience", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 10:45:06", "content": "Hello Manraj, let me shed some light here.
\n\nAt first i want to add to Mukharbek apologies on what has happened was certainly not required, (he got carried away after what happened in last few hrs/ days that resulted for his de-mean language used in this context), but I saw the kernel posted roughly around 6:45 -6:50 pm (7 pm the competition ends my time). But as you mentioned that you posted the kernel after competition, I totally take your statements as true statements
\n\nWe were actively discussing our progress during this time. We had already lost around 25 positions in that last 1 hr. And roughly after 15 minutes (around 7:10) our positions even dropped further 5 places down.
\n\nSince both of these events are really close, this was really an outburst of reactions which wont have happened otherwise. Kaggle can be sometimes really stressing. Mukharbek is a great person to work with, and as a team leader , I (on his behalf for his outburst) would like to sincerely apologize to you.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699351, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 10:50:25", "content": "Thanks for your reply Ashish, @roydatascience \nI agree there has been some confusion, I very well remember posting my kernel 5mins after the competition ended (5:30 UTC). Appreciate your reply, also I'm on the same boat of frustration of losing positions.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699358, "author_name": "roydatascience", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 10:58:08", "content": "I can really understand your stand point, now that The leaderboard is calculated with approximately 89% of the test data. The final results will be based on the other 11%, so the final standings may be different
\n\nGood luck to you and your team
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 699341, "author_name": "kirankunapuli", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 10:36:24", "content": "Chill guys!
\n\n
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 699347, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 10:43:49", "content": "Yeah! We were just clarifying stuff! xD
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 699417, "author_name": "klloke", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 12:39:25", "content": "To be honest, I have checked in the last few minutes before competition ends and I didn't see any new kernel before the competition ends, including Manraj Singh kernel.
\n\nOtherwise I would have complain too.
\n\nI'm not taking any sides here with anyone, just want to speak out the truth here.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 699418, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 12:42:14", "content": "@klloke thanks for letting to know 👍
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 699551, "author_name": "themonologue", "author_url": "", "post_date": "12/20/2019 15:28:46", "content": "@klloke Thank you!
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "699253": "I posted the kernel - https://www.kaggle.com/themonologue/ashrae-manual-weights PUBLIC LB - 0.955 after the competition ended 5:30 (UTC).\nI don't why people including grandmaster and experts are accusing me of posting a high scoring kernel before the competition ended. \nOne expert - @muhakabartay (Kaggle 3x expert) even created a discussion demeaning and wrote in his best accusing language he could without even knowing when the kernel was made public. There is a difference between last run and making public. The discussion got many upvotes cause being an expert people would believe him, very obvious. He then deleted his discussion after I replied to him wihout any apology, also when I asked the same in his last discussion he deleted that too.\n\nMy discussion just wants to convey that I didn't make any kernel public before the competition ended, Also I had made a discussion \"Not to post high scoring kernels before the competition ends\", then would I even do that?", "699266": "I just wanted to make new post with apologies but if you have already posted, I will take advantage here.\n\nMy personal apologies to you Manraj. @themonologue\n\nI was told by someone that you have done it before and like the kernel was public 20 min before the end, thus I made the post to clarify that. As now, that person I think not sure but he made this misconception. \nAnd thus **I would like to apologize** for the situation. \n\n**Sorry** again. We will be more rigorous next time. \n\nAnd beat wishes with the competition.", "699289": "muhakabartay Thank you for your reply. I would and I guess all the kagglers here would really like to know that \"someone\", cause this is a big deal if \"someone\" says I have done it before too as this is just my second competition I'm actually working, I don't remembering sharing any kernels before. \nAlso you are now saying that \"someone\" told you that the kernel was posted 20min ago, but in your discussion you mentioned few hours ago.\nPlease clarify the \"someone\" here. Cause you were deliberately posting in others discussions too about \"public sharing instead of private sharing\" \nThanks in advance.", "699294": "themonologue\nI said not someone told me 20 min ago but that kernel was made public 20 min before the end. It's completely different phrases.\n\nRemarking the public/private. That was in another topic, not concern you and I don't need to give any comments about it since it didn't refer to anyone special, but would say that it was just a joke seeing how many new empty accounts were created and submission are made, hopefully, Kaggle deleted that.", "699298": "muhakabartay I'm telling you the same, \"someone\" told you that the kernel was published 20min before competition ended but you wrote in your discussion that I (you mentioned my kernel) posted it few hours before the competition.\nAnyway, I would like to end this since you have apologized, though I'm not convinced.\nGood luck to you too for the competition.", "699300": "themonologue \"few hours\" I said because seen 6h In kernel and summarizing with 0.3h I was told.\n\nAs you see, really it's better to wait 3-6h after the competition end and post smth later on, this will keep people not be confusing because really such confusion things happen.", "699302": "muhakabartay Sure. But atleast not posting publicly and demeaning just because of confusing. Will keep in mind next time, agreed to the point that people might get confused who actually didn't check at the last moment. The only thing I wanted to clarify is I didn't post it before the competition ended.", "699306": "themonologue yeah, you are right. I support that. But as you see, not all the time I am so patient))", "699341": "Chill guys!\n\n", "699347": "Yeah! We were just clarifying stuff! xD", "699348": "Hello Manraj, let me shed some light here. \n\nAt first i want to add to Mukharbek apologies on what has happened was certainly not required, (he got carried away after what happened in last few hrs/ days that resulted for his de-mean language used in this context), but I saw the kernel posted roughly around 6:45 -6:50 pm (7 pm the competition ends my time). But as you mentioned that you posted the kernel after competition, I totally take your statements as true statements\n\nWe were actively discussing our progress during this time. We had already lost around 25 positions in that last 1 hr. And roughly after 15 minutes (around 7:10) our positions even dropped further 5 places down.\n\nSince both of these events are really close, this was really an outburst of reactions which wont have happened otherwise. Kaggle can be sometimes really stressing. Mukharbek is a great person to work with, and as a team leader , I (on his behalf for his outburst) would like to sincerely apologize to you.", "699351": "Thanks for your reply Ashish, @roydatascience \nI agree there has been some confusion, I very well remember posting my kernel 5mins after the competition ended (5:30 UTC). Appreciate your reply, also I'm on the same boat of frustration of losing positions.", "699358": "I can really understand your stand point, now that The leaderboard is calculated with approximately 89% of the test data. The final results will be based on the other 11%, so the final standings may be different\n\nGood luck to you and your team", "699417": "To be honest, I have checked in the last few minutes before competition ends and I didn't see any new kernel before the competition ends, including Manraj Singh kernel. \n\nOtherwise I would have complain too.\n\nI'm not taking any sides here with anyone, just want to speak out the truth here.", "699418": "klloke thanks for letting to know 👍", "699551": "klloke Thank you!" }, "source": "meta" }![https://media.giphy.com/media/6yxIP39EMwP7IlIA28/giphy.gif](\"https://media.giphy.com/media/6yxIP39EMwP7IlIA28/giphy.gif\"){kind=link}