The rules have just been updated. The biggest change is that the organizers confirmed that using the previously mentioned dataset (on the data page) is not allowed.
\nSection A - 3. SUBMISSION CODE REQUIREMENTS. Use of Open Source
\n\n\nThe following supersedes Section 8.C of the rules below.
\n
\n Use of Open Source. If open source code is used in the model to generate the Submission, then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code. Reference was made to an outside data set, as an example; however, we have determined that example does not meet Sponsor’s open source requirements. For clarification, we have removed the reference to that outside data set. If you wish to use any training data set other than those provided on the Competition Website, it is your responsibility to verify that, given the possibility of financial remuneration, you have the necessary rights to use such other data set.
If I understand correctly, everything needs to be compliant with the MIT licence.
\nThe main question is this: What happens if a team uses a non-compliant model (e.g. yolov5) or a non-compliant dataset? Will that team be removed from the leaderboard?
\nWe want to make sure our submission 100% compliant with the rules and that someone using non-compliant models or data will not be on the leaderboard in front of us (since this obviously gives an advantage).
\n", "messages": [ { "id": 2288973, "postDate": "2023-06-05T20:30:42.607Z", "content": "The rules have just been updated. The biggest change is that the organizers confirmed that using the previously mentioned dataset (on the data page) is not allowed.
\nSection A - 3. SUBMISSION CODE REQUIREMENTS. Use of Open Source
\n\n\nThe following supersedes Section 8.C of the rules below.
\n
\n Use of Open Source. If open source code is used in the model to generate the Submission, then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code. Reference was made to an outside data set, as an example; however, we have determined that example does not meet Sponsor’s open source requirements. For clarification, we have removed the reference to that outside data set. If you wish to use any training data set other than those provided on the Competition Website, it is your responsibility to verify that, given the possibility of financial remuneration, you have the necessary rights to use such other data set.
If I understand correctly, everything needs to be compliant with the MIT licence.
\nThe main question is this: What happens if a team uses a non-compliant model (e.g. yolov5) or a non-compliant dataset? Will that team be removed from the leaderboard?
\nWe want to make sure our submission 100% compliant with the rules and that someone using non-compliant models or data will not be on the leaderboard in front of us (since this obviously gives an advantage).
\n", "rawMarkdown": "The rules have just been updated. The biggest change is that the organizers confirmed that using the previously mentioned dataset (on the data page) is not allowed.\n\nSection A - 3. SUBMISSION CODE REQUIREMENTS. Use of Open Source\n\n>The following supersedes Section 8.C of the rules below.\nUse of Open Source. If open source code is used in the model to generate the Submission, then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code. Reference was made to an outside data set, as an example; however, we have determined that example does not meet Sponsor’s open source requirements. For clarification, we have removed the reference to that outside data set. If you wish to use any training data set other than those provided on the Competition Website, it is your responsibility to verify that, given the possibility of financial remuneration, you have the necessary rights to use such other data set.\n\nIf I understand correctly, everything needs to be compliant with the MIT licence.\n\nThe main question is this: **What happens if a team uses a non-compliant model (e.g. yolov5) or a non-compliant dataset? Will that team be removed from the leaderboard?**\n\nWe want to make sure our submission 100% compliant with the rules and that someone using non-compliant models or data will not be on the leaderboard in front of us (since this obviously gives an advantage).\n\n@maggiemd @benjiaa ", "votes": 29 }, { "id": 2289381, "postDate": "2023-06-06T05:43:31.050Z", "content": "Ouch, when I started to research about the competition that dataset was mentioned as an example datasource to use. I even downloaded it and started to a add a few annotations.
\nGlad I had to ditch the competition I would be furious right now :D
", "rawMarkdown": "Ouch, when I started to research about the competition that dataset was mentioned as an example datasource to use. I even downloaded it and started to a add a few annotations. \n\nGlad I had to ditch the competition I would be furious right now :D", "votes": 9, "replies": [ { "id": 2289534, "postDate": "2023-06-06T08:07:16.087Z", "content": "All in all. The problem is very interesting and I learned a bunch of interesting things. I just hope we get answers to our questions so we can wrap it up.
", "rawMarkdown": "All in all. The problem is very interesting and I learned a bunch of interesting things. I just hope we get answers to our questions so we can wrap it up.", "votes": 9 } ] }, { "id": 2288996, "postDate": "2023-06-05T20:49:52.990Z", "content": "I am very disappointed with the communication in this case. Like many others, I have spent a lot of time trying to make the ICDAR data set usable. I absolutely cannot understand why such key changes are not communicated more openly here. Had you @crodoc not pointed this out, many participants would not have even noticed the change.
\nThank you very much.
\n/edit
\nI guess, it means the any data or models with this license are not allowed to use:
\nhttps://github.com/ultralytics/yolov5/blob/master/LICENSE
Any thoughts on this?
", "rawMarkdown": "I am very disappointed with the communication in this case. Like many others, I have spent a lot of time trying to make the ICDAR data set usable. I absolutely cannot understand why such key changes are not communicated more openly here. Had you @crodoc not pointed this out, many participants would not have even noticed the change. \n\nThank you very much.\n\n/edit\nI guess, it means the any data or models with this license are not allowed to use:\nhttps://github.com/ultralytics/yolov5/blob/master/LICENSE\n\nAny thoughts on this?", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 2289050, "postDate": "2023-06-05T21:54:30.870Z", "content": "I'm dumb when it comes to licenses but isn't yolo AGPL-3.0, which is listed here https://opensource.org/licenses/ ?
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm dumb when it comes to licenses but isn't yolo AGPL-3.0, which is listed here https://opensource.org/licenses/ ?", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2289550, "postDate": "2023-06-06T08:24:33.177Z", "content": "As far as I know, GPL3.0 allows commercial use but you could be asked to disclose the source
", "rawMarkdown": "As far as I know, GPL3.0 allows commercial use but you could be asked to disclose the source ", "votes": -1 }, { "id": 2289645, "postDate": "2023-06-06T09:38:13.520Z", "content": "The issue with this license is that it requires every software using yolo to be licensed under it as well.
\nSometimes the hosts are fine with it, sometimes they're not.
Yeah, but they literally say then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org). And AGPL-3 is there in www.opensource.org
From the rules page :
\n\n\n\n
\n- WINNER LICENSE.
\n
\n Under Section 11 (Winners Obligations) of the General Rules below, you hereby grant and will grant Competition Sponsor the following license(s) with respect to your Submission if you are a Competition winner:
\n Open Source: You hereby license and will license your winning Submission and the source code used to generate the Submission under an Open Source MIT license (see https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code.
If you use yolo or anything that's GPL3.0, you cannot release your code under MIT.
\nUnfortunately.
", "rawMarkdown": "From the rules page : \n> 1. WINNER LICENSE.\nUnder Section 11 (Winners Obligations) of the General Rules below, you hereby grant and will grant Competition Sponsor the following license(s) with respect to your Submission if you are a Competition winner:\nOpen Source: You hereby license and will license your winning Submission and the source code used to generate the Submission under an Open Source MIT license (see https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code.\n\n\nIf you use yolo or anything that's GPL3.0, you cannot release your code under MIT.\n\nUnfortunately.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 2289756, "postDate": "2023-06-06T10:41:43.083Z", "content": "In the rules it says:
\n\n\nWINNER LICENSE TYPE: Open Source - MIT License
\n
Which most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.
\nThe only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts. @benjiaa @maggiemd
\nIt is obvious that this has a huge impact on anyone in the top rankings. Without the definite decision/statement regarding this, there will be chaos at the end of the competition.
All we want is to know and understand the rules. No one wants anyone to be removed from the LB after working hard for months.
", "rawMarkdown": "In the rules it says:\n>WINNER LICENSE TYPE: Open Source - MIT License\n\nWhich most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.\n\nThe only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts. @benjiaa @maggiemd \nIt is obvious that this has a huge impact on anyone in the top rankings. Without the definite decision/statement regarding this, there will be chaos at the end of the competition.\n\nAll we want is to know and understand the rules. No one wants anyone to be removed from the LB after working hard for months.", "votes": 4 }, { "id": 2289775, "postDate": "2023-06-06T10:59:48.607Z", "content": "\n\nBenetech’s legal team has clarified that Benetech cannot, and will not, provide legal advice to contestants.
\n
This is a slightly worrying statement given we are so close to the end of the comp and YOLO is a very standard model
", "rawMarkdown": "> Benetech’s legal team has clarified that Benetech cannot, and will not, provide legal advice to contestants.\n\nThis is a slightly worrying statement given we are so close to the end of the comp and YOLO is a very standard model", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2290830, "postDate": "2023-06-07T06:23:24.087Z", "content": "\n\nWhich most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.
\nThe only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts.
\n
No, legal people can answer that. and host says they won't provide legal detail.
\nHere is what Yolo v5 license says:
\n\n\nThe GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to
\n
\n ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available
\n to the community. It requires the operator of a network server to
\n provide the source code of the modified version running there to the
\n users of that server. Therefore, public use of a modified version, on
\n a publicly accessible server, gives the public access to the source
\n code of the modified version.
I am not a lawyer but I have been involved in legal suit (people attacking some of our patents) many times. AFAIK the above is incompatible with a MIT license. If you think otherwise, which is fine, then I'd advise you to seek legal advice.
", "rawMarkdown": "> Which most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.\n\n> The only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts.\n\nNo, legal people can answer that. and host says they won't provide legal detail. \n\nHere is what Yolo v5 license says:\n\n>The GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to\nensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available\nto the community. It requires the operator of a network server to\nprovide the source code of the modified version running there to the\nusers of that server. Therefore, public use of a modified version, on\na publicly accessible server, gives the public access to the source\ncode of the modified version.\n\nI am not a lawyer but I have been involved in legal suit (people attacking some of our patents) many times. AFAIK the above is incompatible with a MIT license. If you think otherwise, which is fine, then I'd advise you to seek legal advice.\n\n", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 2305537, "postDate": "2023-06-16T18:51:38.763Z", "content": "What about YOLOv8?
", "rawMarkdown": "What about YOLOv8?" }, { "id": 2305564, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:11:16.033Z", "content": "what is yolov8 license? Just read it and check if it allows for commercial use.
", "rawMarkdown": "what is yolov8 license? Just read it and check if it allows for commercial use." }, { "id": 2305569, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:14:07.043Z", "content": "@cpmpml they changed the licences again.
", "rawMarkdown": "@cpmpml they changed the licences again.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2305573, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:17:09.277Z", "content": "who is \"they\" and which license was changed?
", "rawMarkdown": "who is \"they\" and which license was changed?\n" }, { "id": 2305576, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:21:53.493Z", "content": "", "rawMarkdown": "[link](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/benetech-making-graphs-accessible/discussion/417668)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2305580, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:23:48.050Z", "content": "YOLOv8 is under AGPL 3 license. You can look at here: https://github.com/ultralytics/ultralytics/blob/main/LICENSE
", "rawMarkdown": "YOLOv8 is under AGPL 3 license. You can look at here: https://github.com/ultralytics/ultralytics/blob/main/LICENSE" }, { "id": 2305581, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:25:19.400Z", "content": "Wow. This change shows the strength of the kaggle community.
\nHowever, yolo v5 and yolo v8 license are Gnu AGPL 3.0, not GPL 3.0… I am not sure they would qualify still.
", "rawMarkdown": "Wow. This change shows the strength of the kaggle community.\n\nHowever, yolo v5 and yolo v8 license are Gnu AGPL 3.0, not GPL 3.0... I am not sure they would qualify still.\n", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2305589, "postDate": "2023-06-16T19:29:55.103Z", "content": "Or the stupidy of people who spend countless days making their code MIT compliant.
", "rawMarkdown": "Or the stupidy of people who spend countless days making their code MIT compliant." }, { "id": 2305662, "postDate": "2023-06-16T20:31:28.073Z", "content": "Yes, I said it is AGPL 3.0 license, not GPL 3.0. It was updated on April. It is written that it is permitted for commercial use.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes, I said it is AGPL 3.0 license, not GPL 3.0. It was updated on April. It is written that it is permitted for commercial use. " }, { "id": 2305669, "postDate": "2023-06-16T20:38:52.960Z", "content": "If you use a piece of software that's licensed under the AGPL-3.0 and you modify it or build something new that includes it, you must:
\n Give credit original creators.\n Distribute your derivative work under AGPL well.\n Provide all your source code users your software, even your software is web service.\nSo, in essence, the AGPL-3.0 ensures that all derivative works also remain open source and that the users of such works always have access to the source code. It's designed to promote and protect the open-source nature of software.
", "rawMarkdown": "If you use a piece of software that's licensed under the AGPL-3.0 and you modify it or build something new that includes it, you must:\n\n 1. Give credit to the original creators.\n 2. Distribute your derivative work under the AGPL-3.0 as well.\n 3. Provide all of your source code to the users of your software, even if your software is a web service.\n\nSo, in essence, the AGPL-3.0 ensures that all derivative works also remain open source and that the users of such works always have access to the source code. It's designed to promote and protect the open-source nature of software." } ] } ] }, { "id": 2289049, "postDate": "2023-06-05T21:51:19.580Z", "content": "The rules were changed a week before the end of a 3 month competition?
", "rawMarkdown": "The rules were changed a week before the end of a 3 month competition?", "votes": 6 }, { "id": 2289204, "postDate": "2023-06-06T02:30:55.903Z", "content": "A rule change 1 week before the competition ends and now the competition is extended a week? Very frustrated on this one. I guess we will all have to make the most of it.
", "rawMarkdown": "A rule change 1 week before the competition ends and now the competition is extended a week? Very frustrated on this one. I guess we will all have to make the most of it.", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 2289903, "postDate": "2023-06-06T12:30:28.503Z", "content": "MIT licence is not the only open source license that allows commercial use. They all allow it in general. Disallowing commercial use is the exception. But you have to look at the licence terms for each of the dataset you want to use to make sure.
", "rawMarkdown": "MIT licence is not the only open source license that allows commercial use. They all allow it in general. Disallowing commercial use is the exception. But you have to look at the licence terms for each of the dataset you want to use to make sure.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 2290274, "postDate": "2023-06-06T16:59:03.093Z", "content": "Bad change for the rules.I can't imagine how disappointed the masters in Kaggle will be.
", "rawMarkdown": "Bad change for the rules.I can't imagine how disappointed the masters in Kaggle will be.", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2290075, "postDate": "2023-06-06T14:26:08.493Z", "content": "noob question here, what happens if you win a medal with a submission that used forbidden licenses? @crodoc
", "rawMarkdown": "noob question here, what happens if you win a medal with a submission that used forbidden licenses? @crodoc ", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2290464, "postDate": "2023-06-06T20:13:00.893Z", "content": "That is up to the organizers to decide. I don't know. I hope we get more information regarding all of our questions.
\nIf I were to guess, I would assume you get removed from LB. Again, it is up to the organizers to give clear guidance on these matters.
", "rawMarkdown": "That is up to the organizers to decide. I don't know. I hope we get more information regarding all of our questions.\n\nIf I were to guess, I would assume you get removed from LB. Again, it is up to the organizers to give clear guidance on these matters.", "votes": 4, "replies": [ { "id": 2290466, "postDate": "2023-06-06T20:13:48.557Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ] } ] }, { "id": 2289098, "postDate": "2023-06-05T23:16:01Z", "content": "Can we still use the ICDAR dataset, if we want to win a medal and we do not care about money prize?
", "rawMarkdown": "Can we still use the ICDAR dataset, if we want to win a medal and we do not care about money prize?", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2289058, "postDate": "2023-06-05T22:10:03.810Z", "content": "Oh the competition just got extended for another week 👀
\nFrom the host: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/benetech-making-graphs-accessible/discussion/415275
", "rawMarkdown": "Oh the competition just got extended for another week 👀\n\nFrom the host: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/benetech-making-graphs-accessible/discussion/415275", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 2289973, "postDate": "2023-06-06T13:21:47.123Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": -5, "isDeleted": true } ], "comments": [ { "id": 2289381, "author_name": "beluga", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T05:43:31.050000", "content": "Ouch, when I started to research about the competition that dataset was mentioned as an example datasource to use. I even downloaded it and started to a add a few annotations.
\nGlad I had to ditch the competition I would be furious right now :D
", "votes": 9, "replies": [ { "id": 2289534, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T08:07:16.087000", "content": "All in all. The problem is very interesting and I learned a bunch of interesting things. I just hope we get answers to our questions so we can wrap it up.
", "votes": 9, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 2288996, "author_name": "Benedikt Droste", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-05T20:49:52.990000", "content": "I am very disappointed with the communication in this case. Like many others, I have spent a lot of time trying to make the ICDAR data set usable. I absolutely cannot understand why such key changes are not communicated more openly here. Had you @crodoc not pointed this out, many participants would not have even noticed the change.
\nThank you very much.
\n/edit
\nI guess, it means the any data or models with this license are not allowed to use:
\nhttps://github.com/ultralytics/yolov5/blob/master/LICENSE
Any thoughts on this?
", "votes": 10, "replies": [ { "id": 2289050, "author_name": "Eduardo Rocha de Andrade", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-05T21:54:30.870000", "content": "I'm dumb when it comes to licenses but isn't yolo AGPL-3.0, which is listed here https://opensource.org/licenses/ ?
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2289550, "author_name": "Liam Nguyen", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T08:24:33.177000", "content": "As far as I know, GPL3.0 allows commercial use but you could be asked to disclose the source
", "votes": -1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289645, "author_name": "Theo Viel", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T09:38:13.520000", "content": "The issue with this license is that it requires every software using yolo to be licensed under it as well.
\nSometimes the hosts are fine with it, sometimes they're not.
Yeah, but they literally say then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org). And AGPL-3 is there in www.opensource.org
From the rules page :
\n\n\n\n
\n- WINNER LICENSE.
\n
\n Under Section 11 (Winners Obligations) of the General Rules below, you hereby grant and will grant Competition Sponsor the following license(s) with respect to your Submission if you are a Competition winner:
\n Open Source: You hereby license and will license your winning Submission and the source code used to generate the Submission under an Open Source MIT license (see https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code.
If you use yolo or anything that's GPL3.0, you cannot release your code under MIT.
\nUnfortunately.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289756, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T10:41:43.083000", "content": "In the rules it says:
\n\n\nWINNER LICENSE TYPE: Open Source - MIT License
\n
Which most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.
\nThe only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts. @benjiaa @maggiemd
\nIt is obvious that this has a huge impact on anyone in the top rankings. Without the definite decision/statement regarding this, there will be chaos at the end of the competition.
All we want is to know and understand the rules. No one wants anyone to be removed from the LB after working hard for months.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289775, "author_name": "Hamish", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T10:59:48.607000", "content": "\n\nBenetech’s legal team has clarified that Benetech cannot, and will not, provide legal advice to contestants.
\n
This is a slightly worrying statement given we are so close to the end of the comp and YOLO is a very standard model
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2290830, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-07T06:23:24.087000", "content": "\n\nWhich most likely makes AGPL-3 and GPL-3 models not allowed.
\nThe only one who can give a definite decision are the competition hosts.
\n
No, legal people can answer that. and host says they won't provide legal detail.
\nHere is what Yolo v5 license says:
\n\n\nThe GNU Affero General Public License is designed specifically to
\n
\n ensure that, in such cases, the modified source code becomes available
\n to the community. It requires the operator of a network server to
\n provide the source code of the modified version running there to the
\n users of that server. Therefore, public use of a modified version, on
\n a publicly accessible server, gives the public access to the source
\n code of the modified version.
I am not a lawyer but I have been involved in legal suit (people attacking some of our patents) many times. AFAIK the above is incompatible with a MIT license. If you think otherwise, which is fine, then I'd advise you to seek legal advice.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305537, "author_name": "Hamzah", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T18:51:38.763000", "content": "What about YOLOv8?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305564, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:11:16.033000", "content": "what is yolov8 license? Just read it and check if it allows for commercial use.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305569, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:14:07.043000", "content": "@cpmpml they changed the licences again.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305573, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:17:09.277000", "content": "who is \"they\" and which license was changed?
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305576, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:21:53.493000", "content": "", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305580, "author_name": "Hamzah", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:23:48.050000", "content": "YOLOv8 is under AGPL 3 license. You can look at here: https://github.com/ultralytics/ultralytics/blob/main/LICENSE
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305581, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:25:19.400000", "content": "Wow. This change shows the strength of the kaggle community.
\nHowever, yolo v5 and yolo v8 license are Gnu AGPL 3.0, not GPL 3.0… I am not sure they would qualify still.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305589, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T19:29:55.103000", "content": "Or the stupidy of people who spend countless days making their code MIT compliant.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305662, "author_name": "Hamzah", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T20:31:28.073000", "content": "Yes, I said it is AGPL 3.0 license, not GPL 3.0. It was updated on April. It is written that it is permitted for commercial use.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2305669, "author_name": "Hamzah", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-16T20:38:52.960000", "content": "If you use a piece of software that's licensed under the AGPL-3.0 and you modify it or build something new that includes it, you must:
\n Give credit original creators.\n Distribute your derivative work under AGPL well.\n Provide all your source code users your software, even your software is web service.\nSo, in essence, the AGPL-3.0 ensures that all derivative works also remain open source and that the users of such works always have access to the source code. It's designed to promote and protect the open-source nature of software.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2289049, "author_name": "Hamish", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-05T21:51:19.580000", "content": "The rules were changed a week before the end of a 3 month competition?
", "votes": 6, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289204, "author_name": "Cody_Null", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T02:30:55.903000", "content": "A rule change 1 week before the competition ends and now the competition is extended a week? Very frustrated on this one. I guess we will all have to make the most of it.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289903, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T12:30:28.503000", "content": "MIT licence is not the only open source license that allows commercial use. They all allow it in general. Disallowing commercial use is the exception. But you have to look at the licence terms for each of the dataset you want to use to make sure.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2290274, "author_name": "EndSieg", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T16:59:03.093000", "content": "Bad change for the rules.I can't imagine how disappointed the masters in Kaggle will be.
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2290075, "author_name": "moth", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T14:26:08.493000", "content": "noob question here, what happens if you win a medal with a submission that used forbidden licenses? @crodoc
", "votes": 2, "replies": [ { "id": 2290464, "author_name": "CroDoc", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T20:13:00.893000", "content": "That is up to the organizers to decide. I don't know. I hope we get more information regarding all of our questions.
\nIf I were to guess, I would assume you get removed from LB. Again, it is up to the organizers to give clear guidance on these matters.
", "votes": 4, "replies": [ { "id": 2290466, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T20:13:48.557000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] } ] }, { "id": 2289098, "author_name": "Man of the year", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-05T23:16:01", "content": "Can we still use the ICDAR dataset, if we want to win a medal and we do not care about money prize?
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289058, "author_name": "Sinan Calisir", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-05T22:10:03.810000", "content": "Oh the competition just got extended for another week 👀
\nFrom the host: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/benetech-making-graphs-accessible/discussion/415275
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 2289973, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2023-06-06T13:21:47.123000", "content": "", "votes": -5, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "2288973": "The rules have just been updated. The biggest change is that the organizers confirmed that using the previously mentioned dataset (on the data page) is not allowed.\n\nSection A - 3. SUBMISSION CODE REQUIREMENTS. Use of Open Source\n\n>The following supersedes Section 8.C of the rules below.\nUse of Open Source. If open source code is used in the model to generate the Submission, then you must only use open source code licensed under an Open Source Initiative-approved license (see www.opensource.org) that in no event limits commercial use of such code or model containing or depending on such code. Reference was made to an outside data set, as an example; however, we have determined that example does not meet Sponsor’s open source requirements. For clarification, we have removed the reference to that outside data set. If you wish to use any training data set other than those provided on the Competition Website, it is your responsibility to verify that, given the possibility of financial remuneration, you have the necessary rights to use such other data set.\n\nIf I understand correctly, everything needs to be compliant with the MIT licence.\n\nThe main question is this: **What happens if a team uses a non-compliant model (e.g. yolov5) or a non-compliant dataset? Will that team be removed from the leaderboard?**\n\nWe want to make sure our submission 100% compliant with the rules and that someone using non-compliant models or data will not be on the leaderboard in front of us (since this obviously gives an advantage).\n\n@maggiemd @benjiaa ", "2289381": "Ouch, when I started to research about the competition that dataset was mentioned as an example datasource to use. I even downloaded it and started to a add a few annotations. \n\nGlad I had to ditch the competition I would be furious right now :D", "2288996": "I am very disappointed with the communication in this case. Like many others, I have spent a lot of time trying to make the ICDAR data set usable. I absolutely cannot understand why such key changes are not communicated more openly here. Had you @crodoc not pointed this out, many participants would not have even noticed the change. \n\nThank you very much.\n\n/edit\nI guess, it means the any data or models with this license are not allowed to use:\nhttps://github.com/ultralytics/yolov5/blob/master/LICENSE\n\nAny thoughts on this?", "2289049": "The rules were changed a week before the end of a 3 month competition?", "2289204": "A rule change 1 week before the competition ends and now the competition is extended a week? Very frustrated on this one. I guess we will all have to make the most of it.", "2289903": "MIT licence is not the only open source license that allows commercial use. They all allow it in general. Disallowing commercial use is the exception. But you have to look at the licence terms for each of the dataset you want to use to make sure.", "2290274": "Bad change for the rules.I can't imagine how disappointed the masters in Kaggle will be.", "2290075": "noob question here, what happens if you win a medal with a submission that used forbidden licenses? @crodoc ", "2289098": "Can we still use the ICDAR dataset, if we want to win a medal and we do not care about money prize?", "2289058": "Oh the competition just got extended for another week 👀\n\nFrom the host: https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/benetech-making-graphs-accessible/discussion/415275", "2289973": "" } }