weight_carried value:\n
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During my initial EDA, I saw that there are some jockeys that have an unusually high weight_carried value:
\n
According to Wikipedia
\n\n\nThe Kentucky Derby, for example, has a weight limit of 126 lb (57 kg) including the jockey's equipment.
\n
I assume something similar applies to NYRA as well. That is why I am suspicious about the jockeys with an average weight_carried of over 126 lbs.
Some of the \"heavier\" jockeys have an average weight_carried of over 150 lbs (e.g. Thomas Garner and Sean McDermott).
My question to the competition host @nythanyra (or anyone with more domain knowledge) is:
\nAre the high weight_carried values something to be suspicious about? Can you please provide some context for these high values?
During my initial EDA, I saw that there are some jockeys that have an unusually high weight_carried value:
\n
According to Wikipedia
\n\n\nThe Kentucky Derby, for example, has a weight limit of 126 lb (57 kg) including the jockey's equipment.
\n
I assume something similar applies to NYRA as well. That is why I am suspicious about the jockeys with an average weight_carried of over 126 lbs.
Some of the \"heavier\" jockeys have an average weight_carried of over 150 lbs (e.g. Thomas Garner and Sean McDermott).
My question to the competition host @nythanyra (or anyone with more domain knowledge) is:
\nAre the high weight_carried values something to be suspicious about? Can you please provide some context for these high values?
This is an excellent question. Those high weights are in what are called steeplechase races, where horse and jockey jump over fences throughout the race. This is a very small subset of racing and it might be best more impactful to filter those races out.
", "rawMarkdown": "This is an excellent question. Those high weights are in what are called steeplechase races, where horse and jockey jump over fences throughout the race. This is a very small subset of racing and it might be best more impactful to filter those races out.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1899270", "postDate": "08/15/2022 06:47:52", "content": "Thank you for the quick reply. Both the information and the suggestion to filter those races out are very helpful!
\nFor everyone: Based on the assumption that all races with an average weight_carried over 126 lbs are steeplechase races, these are the ones I found:
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['BEL_2019-09-18_1' 'BEL_2019-09-19_1' 'SAR_2019-07-21_1'
\n 'SAR_2019-07-24_1' 'SAR_2019-07-25_1' 'SAR_2019-08-07_1'
\n 'SAR_2019-08-14_1' 'SAR_2019-08-22_1' 'SAR_2019-08-28_1']
Details and code can be found in my Notebook
\nUpdate: You can easily filter these out by removing all races with course_type== M (Hurdle)
Hi Folks
\nIf I may make an observation to this. I have seen that the higher weight outliers are mostly in two race types:
\nStakes and Allowance have these higher weight values, is this a form handicapping ? I have read that in Allowance racing the horse has a weight assigned to it, how is this affected with Stakes racing ?
\nOr am I barking up the wrong tree so to speak ?
", "rawMarkdown": "Hi Folks\n\nIf I may make an observation to this. I have seen that the higher weight outliers are mostly in two race types:\n\nStakes and Allowance have these higher weight values, is this a form handicapping ? I have read that in Allowance racing the horse has a weight assigned to it, how is this affected with Stakes racing ?\n\nOr am I barking up the wrong tree so to speak ?", "votes": null }, { "id": "1900957", "postDate": "08/16/2022 11:30:58", "content": "I want to say that I really appreciate all your work on this EDA!
\nYour notebook looks really great at the moment!
The Devastator.
", "rawMarkdown": "I want to say that I really appreciate all your work on this EDA!\nYour notebook looks really great at the moment!\n\nThe Devastator.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1906319", "postDate": "08/19/2022 19:00:24", "content": "You are not barking up the wrong tree! In most races, horses are given what is called weight for age so that they have a standardized weight depending upon how old they are. Two-year old horses race exclusively against each other, while three year olds often race against older horses. Because they are a little less mature, they are often given a weight allowance early in the year. We also have a small set of races that are handicaps, where horses are given weight based upon perceived ability in an effort to create a competitive racing environment.
", "rawMarkdown": "You are not barking up the wrong tree! In most races, horses are given what is called weight for age so that they have a standardized weight depending upon how old they are. Two-year old horses race exclusively against each other, while three year olds often race against older horses. Because they are a little less mature, they are often given a weight allowance early in the year. We also have a small set of races that are handicaps, where horses are given weight based upon perceived ability in an effort to create a competitive racing environment.", "votes": null }, { "id": "1906611", "postDate": "08/20/2022 04:29:30", "content": "If the outliers you are referring to are 140 pounds or greater, then those are steeplechase races, which are run mostly as allowance and stakes races. I don’t think they want those races included in any analysis though.
", "rawMarkdown": "If the outliers you are referring to are 140 pounds or greater, then those are steeplechase races, which are run mostly as allowance and stakes races. I don’t think they want those races included in any analysis though.", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 1898856, "author_name": "nythanyra", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/14/2022 22:11:44", "content": "This is an excellent question. Those high weights are in what are called steeplechase races, where horse and jockey jump over fences throughout the race. This is a very small subset of racing and it might be best more impactful to filter those races out.
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1899270, "author_name": "iamleonie", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/15/2022 06:47:52", "content": "Thank you for the quick reply. Both the information and the suggestion to filter those races out are very helpful!
\nFor everyone: Based on the assumption that all races with an average weight_carried over 126 lbs are steeplechase races, these are the ones I found:
['BEL_2019-09-18_1' 'BEL_2019-09-19_1' 'SAR_2019-07-21_1'
\n 'SAR_2019-07-24_1' 'SAR_2019-07-25_1' 'SAR_2019-08-07_1'
\n 'SAR_2019-08-14_1' 'SAR_2019-08-22_1' 'SAR_2019-08-28_1']
Details and code can be found in my Notebook
\nUpdate: You can easily filter these out by removing all races with course_type== M (Hurdle)
Hi Folks
\nIf I may make an observation to this. I have seen that the higher weight outliers are mostly in two race types:
\nStakes and Allowance have these higher weight values, is this a form handicapping ? I have read that in Allowance racing the horse has a weight assigned to it, how is this affected with Stakes racing ?
\nOr am I barking up the wrong tree so to speak ?
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 1906319, "author_name": "nythanyra", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/19/2022 19:00:24", "content": "You are not barking up the wrong tree! In most races, horses are given what is called weight for age so that they have a standardized weight depending upon how old they are. Two-year old horses race exclusively against each other, while three year olds often race against older horses. Because they are a little less mature, they are often given a weight allowance early in the year. We also have a small set of races that are handicaps, where horses are given weight based upon perceived ability in an effort to create a competitive racing environment.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 1906611, "author_name": "stevenr59", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/20/2022 04:29:30", "content": "If the outliers you are referring to are 140 pounds or greater, then those are steeplechase races, which are run mostly as allowance and stakes races. I don’t think they want those races included in any analysis though.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 1900957, "author_name": "thedevastator", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/16/2022 11:30:58", "content": "I want to say that I really appreciate all your work on this EDA!
\nYour notebook looks really great at the moment!
The Devastator.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "1898768": "During my [initial EDA](https://www.kaggle.com/code/iamleonie/big-data-derby-step-by-step-analysis/notebook), I saw that there are some jockeys that have an unusually high `weight_carried` value:\n\n\nAccording to Wikipedia\n> The Kentucky Derby, for example, has a weight limit of 126 lb (57 kg) including the jockey's equipment. \n\nI assume something similar applies to NYRA as well. That is why I am suspicious about the jockeys with an average `weight_carried` of over 126 lbs.\n\nSome of the \"heavier\" jockeys have an average `weight_carried` of over 150 lbs (e.g. Thomas Garner and Sean McDermott).\n\nMy question to the competition host @nythanyra (or anyone with more domain knowledge) is:\n**Are the high `weight_carried` values something to be suspicious about? Can you please provide some context for these high values?**", "1898856": "This is an excellent question. Those high weights are in what are called steeplechase races, where horse and jockey jump over fences throughout the race. This is a very small subset of racing and it might be best more impactful to filter those races out.", "1899270": "Thank you for the quick reply. Both the information and the suggestion to filter those races out are very helpful!\n\n---\n\nFor everyone: Based on the assumption that all races with an average `weight_carried` over 126 lbs are steeplechase races, these are the ones I found:\n\n\n\n['BEL_2019-09-18_1' 'BEL_2019-09-19_1' 'SAR_2019-07-21_1'\n 'SAR_2019-07-24_1' 'SAR_2019-07-25_1' 'SAR_2019-08-07_1'\n 'SAR_2019-08-14_1' 'SAR_2019-08-22_1' 'SAR_2019-08-28_1']\n\nDetails and code can be found [in my Notebook](https://www.kaggle.com/code/iamleonie/big-data-derby-step-by-step-analysis)\n\n**Update:** You can easily filter these out by removing all races with `course_type`== M (Hurdle)", "1900927": "Hi Folks\n\nIf I may make an observation to this. I have seen that the higher weight outliers are mostly in two race types:\n\nStakes and Allowance have these higher weight values, is this a form handicapping ? I have read that in Allowance racing the horse has a weight assigned to it, how is this affected with Stakes racing ?\n\nOr am I barking up the wrong tree so to speak ?", "1900957": "I want to say that I really appreciate all your work on this EDA!\nYour notebook looks really great at the moment!\n\nThe Devastator.", "1906319": "You are not barking up the wrong tree! In most races, horses are given what is called weight for age so that they have a standardized weight depending upon how old they are. Two-year old horses race exclusively against each other, while three year olds often race against older horses. Because they are a little less mature, they are often given a weight allowance early in the year. We also have a small set of races that are handicaps, where horses are given weight based upon perceived ability in an effort to create a competitive racing environment.", "1906611": "If the outliers you are referring to are 140 pounds or greater, then those are steeplechase races, which are run mostly as allowance and stakes races. I don’t think they want those races included in any analysis though." }, "source": "meta" }