CV = Cros-validation score\nLB = Leaderboard score
\n\nRead this for other terms https://www.kaggle.com/c/santander-customer-transaction-prediction/discussion/84638
", "messages": [ { "id": "594143", "postDate": "08/07/2019 16:26:26", "content": "CV = Cros-validation score\nLB = Leaderboard score
\n\nRead this for other terms https://www.kaggle.com/c/santander-customer-transaction-prediction/discussion/84638
", "rawMarkdown": "CV = Cros-validation score\nLB = Leaderboard score \n\nRead this for other terms https://www.kaggle.com/c/santander-customer-transaction-prediction/discussion/84638", "votes": null }, { "id": "594174", "postDate": "08/07/2019 17:00:46", "content": "Or watch this video:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJHyuWKd-s
", "rawMarkdown": "Or watch this video:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJHyuWKd-s", "votes": null }, { "id": "594201", "postDate": "08/07/2019 17:32:17", "content": "X5 = private sharing
", "rawMarkdown": "X5 = private sharing", "votes": null }, { "id": "594761", "postDate": "08/08/2019 11:57:49", "content": "They even do private sharing for organized downvoting as if when I get x downvotes, X5 becomes innocent. 7 downvotes and counting. Nice poll to learn how many people are supporting private sharing. Please go one by one and downvote my all posts if you are such fanatics.
\n\nReference for people who don't know the cheating story: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion\nPS: I was not even competing in that competition but I hate that people can cheat and get away with it.
", "rawMarkdown": "They even do private sharing for organized downvoting as if when I get x downvotes, X5 becomes innocent. 7 downvotes and counting. Nice poll to learn how many people are supporting private sharing. Please go one by one and downvote my all posts if you are such fanatics.\n\nReference for people who don't know the cheating story: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion\nPS: I was not even competing in that competition but I hate that people can cheat and get away with it.", "votes": null }, { "id": "594872", "postDate": "08/08/2019 15:01:04", "content": "calm down Ahmed
", "rawMarkdown": "calm down Ahmed", "votes": null }, { "id": "594886", "postDate": "08/08/2019 15:26:28", "content": "Why do you get many downvotes in this comment? You just gave a definition as I understand.
", "rawMarkdown": "Why do you get many downvotes in this comment? You just gave a definition as I understand.", "votes": null }, { "id": "594906", "postDate": "08/08/2019 15:55:19", "content": "It's gone too far. I think people who blame somebody with no evidence should be banned.
", "rawMarkdown": "It's gone too far. I think people who blame somebody with no evidence should be banned.", "votes": null }, { "id": "594967", "postDate": "08/08/2019 17:30:58", "content": "@divrikwicky I really can not support this way how you want to reach justice. You always need to specify, we are mathematicians and not historians. If someone has violated the rules, he must be personally punished. But generalizations never lead to anything good. Today you will generalize someone behalf of one large company where hundreds of programmers work, and tomorrow another person will say that the Turks or Russians do this and that and will generalize in this way, and is it good??
\n\nNo harassment based on ethnic, religion, gender etc as well as even company name can be accepted in Kaggle, I think.
\n\nBe specific or remove that.
\n\nP.S. Not working, not plan to work in X5
", "rawMarkdown": "divrikwicky I really can not support this way how you want to reach justice. You always need to specify, we are mathematicians and not historians. If someone has violated the rules, he must be personally punished. But generalizations never lead to anything good. Today you will generalize someone behalf of one large company where hundreds of programmers work, and tomorrow another person will say that the Turks or Russians do this and that and will generalize in this way, and is it good??\n\nNo harassment based on ethnic, religion, gender etc as well as even company name can be accepted in Kaggle, I think.\n\nBe specific or remove that. \n\nP.S. Not working, not plan to work in X5", "votes": null }, { "id": "595007", "postDate": "08/08/2019 18:27:03", "content": "I won't even answer the guy who is not able to copy paste my name, and the other one with strange request:)
\n\n@muhakabartay I don't know why you think that company name is a generalization. This makes no sense. Nobody will think a random cashier at X5 is a cheater. You even compared it with ethnicity which is weird. Since you mentioned, if 3-5 Turkish people were involved in cheating, I would be reacting 10 times of what I react for X5. I wouldn't advocate some random people just because I am from the same country. X5 doesn't represent Russians. I always enjoyed teaming up with my Russian friends on Kaggle and at work. One of the top Kagglers that I see as a role model for myself is also Russian: https://www.kaggle.com/johnpateha I think he is also the one you should see as a role model, not X5.
", "rawMarkdown": "I won't even answer the guy who is not able to copy paste my name, and the other one with strange request:) \n\n@muhakabartay I don't know why you think that company name is a generalization. This makes no sense. Nobody will think a random cashier at X5 is a cheater. You even compared it with ethnicity which is weird. Since you mentioned, if 3-5 Turkish people were involved in cheating, I would be reacting 10 times of what I react for X5. I wouldn't advocate some random people just because I am from the same country. X5 doesn't represent Russians. I always enjoyed teaming up with my Russian friends on Kaggle and at work. One of the top Kagglers that I see as a role model for myself is also Russian: https://www.kaggle.com/johnpateha I think he is also the one you should see as a role model, not X5.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595057", "postDate": "08/08/2019 19:44:46", "content": "@divrikwicky Ok, Ahmet, the comparison with nationality was might not a good example.
\n\nAs for the main topic, I do not justify anyone who committed the offense (in our case private sharing which affects all of us), but do you really mind that all X5 employees (programmers, not cashiers, ... even more precisely those programmers who participate in Kaggle) are violators? If so, then proof of that is urgently needed and for each person (for each specifically!). Moreover, the one can judge is Kaggle administration under rules of Kaggle. You, me, others are only responsible to only point out to those violators. Do you agree with that? You are talking about a whole company, and many people within it, and many Kagglers not be in touch closely with the topic will think that all X5 people are violators and this is a social responsibility. If you think that it is, tell everybody directly (!) with no walking around via posting \"X5 = something\".
\n\nHonestly, I didn’t follow deeply what happened in that, I just came to Kaggle, but these disassembly and mockery are already evident too frequent. Thus, It's obvious to be solved as fast as possible with the Kaggle administration once and for all people involved in the violation of Kaggle rules (of course, specifying the Name, etc, not companies, organizations or anything else to avoid casting a shadow on a large number of people who were not involved).
", "rawMarkdown": "divrikwicky Ok, Ahmet, the comparison with nationality was might not a good example. \n\nAs for the main topic, I do not justify anyone who committed the offense (in our case private sharing which affects all of us), but do you really mind that all X5 employees (programmers, not cashiers, ... even more precisely those programmers who participate in Kaggle) are violators? If so, then proof of that is urgently needed and for each person (for each specifically!). Moreover, the one can judge is Kaggle administration under rules of Kaggle. You, me, others are only responsible to only point out to those violators. Do you agree with that? You are talking about a whole company, and many people within it, and many Kagglers not be in touch closely with the topic will think that all X5 people are violators and this is a social responsibility. If you think that it is, tell everybody directly (!) with no walking around via posting \"X5 = something\".\n\nHonestly, I didn’t follow deeply what happened in that, I just came to Kaggle, but these disassembly and mockery are already evident too frequent. Thus, It's obvious to be solved as fast as possible with the Kaggle administration once and for all people involved in the violation of Kaggle rules (of course, specifying the Name, etc, not companies, organizations or anything else to avoid casting a shadow on a large number of people who were not involved).", "votes": null }, { "id": "595063", "postDate": "08/08/2019 19:51:00", "content": "@divrikwicky Thanks for the link. First time I see the original discussions.
\n\nFor all those who are interested in Statistics, I will be precise, see here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/h4211819/leaderboard-analysis\nEnjoy!!! ))))))))))))))))))
", "rawMarkdown": "divrikwicky Thanks for the link. First time I see the original discussions.\n\nFor all those who are interested in Statistics, I will be precise, see here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/h4211819/leaderboard-analysis\nEnjoy!!! ))))))))))))))))))", "votes": null }, { "id": "595375", "postDate": "08/09/2019 06:35:59", "content": "I want to second Ahmet, and not because he is my team mate in this competition.
\n\nFairness is key to ensure good quality competitions. That some people, namely the X5 ones, obviously cheated is very clear. It is bad, and it deters some to stay active on Kaggle. I think, and I hope, that downvotes were from people who didn't know about the story. Now that they do then maybe they can revert their downvote?
\n\nAlso, tweaking Ahmet writing in order to claim it is racist is just so silly, to say the least. It illustrates, once again, Godwin law.
\n\nSimilarly, generalizing X5 behavior to, say, all of ods.ai members is as silly. Many ods.ai members were really upset by X5 behavior. If I remember well, it is some ods.ai members who first pointed out X5 cheating.
", "rawMarkdown": "I want to second Ahmet, and not because he is my team mate in this competition. \n\n Fairness is key to ensure good quality competitions. That some people, namely the X5 ones, obviously cheated is very clear. It is bad, and it deters some to stay active on Kaggle. I think, and I hope, that downvotes were from people who didn't know about the story. Now that they do then maybe they can revert their downvote?\n\nAlso, tweaking Ahmet writing in order to claim it is racist is just so silly, to say the least. It illustrates, once again, [Godwin law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law).\n\nSimilarly, generalizing X5 behavior to, say, all of ods.ai members is as silly. Many ods.ai members were really upset by X5 behavior. If I remember well, it is some ods.ai members who first pointed out X5 cheating.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595546", "postDate": "08/09/2019 10:53:07", "content": "Ok, I didn't follow the whole story, but even if it's true, there are two things that makes this story even worse:\n1. Why we discuss it here? This topic surely should not have been connected with cheating in another competition.\n2. X5 is a company. It's not a small band of kagglers. Few people might be cheaters or not (I don't know) but I also know people from X5 who didn't participate in fgvc6. Saying \"X5 are cheaters\" is wrong, because of wrong generalization. Say names, not company.
", "rawMarkdown": "Ok, I didn't follow the whole story, but even if it's true, there are two things that makes this story even worse:\n1. Why we discuss it here? This topic surely should not have been connected with cheating in another competition.\n2. X5 is a company. It's not a small band of kagglers. Few people might be cheaters or not (I don't know) but I also know people from X5 who didn't participate in fgvc6. Saying \"X5 are cheaters\" is wrong, because of wrong generalization. Say names, not company.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595550", "postDate": "08/09/2019 11:11:02", "content": "Ok, downvoters. Did I asked the wrong questions or what? If somebody from your company would be a cheater, how would you like it, if it automatically made you a cheater too? Will they still be cheater if they leave the company, or not? I sincerely do not understand your position.
", "rawMarkdown": "Ok, downvoters. Did I asked the wrong questions or what? If somebody from your company would be a cheater, how would you like it, if it automatically made you a cheater too? Will they still be cheater if they leave the company, or not? I sincerely do not understand your position.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595555", "postDate": "08/09/2019 11:18:39", "content": "\n\n\nWhy we discuss it here?
\n
This is a fair question.
\n\nI am not Ahmet hence I can only guess. Given this post is about info for newcomers, stressing that private sharing outside team isn't a good idea is relevant.
\n\nYou point about not everybody at X5 being a cheater is also valid. But these cheaters created a very bad reputation for their company. It casts a shade on everybody in the company as a result.
", "rawMarkdown": "> Why we discuss it here? \n\nThis is a fair question. \n\nI am not Ahmet hence I can only guess. Given this post is about info for newcomers, stressing that private sharing outside team isn't a good idea is relevant.\n\nYou point about not everybody at X5 being a cheater is also valid. But these cheaters created a very bad reputation for their company. It casts a shade on everybody in the company as a result.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595570", "postDate": "08/09/2019 11:42:43", "content": "Now I'm totally confused. Only thing I understood is that I do not understand what's going on.
", "rawMarkdown": "Now I'm totally confused. Only thing I understood is that I do not understand what's going on.", "votes": null }, { "id": "595760", "postDate": "08/09/2019 16:15:46", "content": "A last thing: I no longer complain about downvoters (I have my share of them), nor complain too much about cheaters. I am here to learn, and I can learn as long as teams share after competition end.
\n\nIn a way, and many may disagree with me on this, I am more concerned by those who never share when they do well rather than by those who cheat but share. I fully understand if others disagree strongly with this position and won't be bothered at all if it shows in my vote count ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "A last thing: I no longer complain about downvoters (I have my share of them), nor complain too much about cheaters. I am here to learn, and I can learn as long as teams share after competition end. \n\nIn a way, and many may disagree with me on this, I am more concerned by those who never share when they do well rather than by those who cheat but share. I fully understand if others disagree strongly with this position and won't be bothered at all if it shows in my vote count ;)", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 594174, "author_name": "antorsae", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/07/2019 17:00:46", "content": "Or watch this video:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJHyuWKd-s
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 594201, "author_name": "aerdem4", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/07/2019 17:32:17", "content": "X5 = private sharing
", "votes": null, "replies": [ { "id": 594761, "author_name": "aerdem4", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 11:57:49", "content": "They even do private sharing for organized downvoting as if when I get x downvotes, X5 becomes innocent. 7 downvotes and counting. Nice poll to learn how many people are supporting private sharing. Please go one by one and downvote my all posts if you are such fanatics.
\n\nReference for people who don't know the cheating story: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion\nPS: I was not even competing in that competition but I hate that people can cheat and get away with it.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 594872, "author_name": "raisefamous", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 15:01:04", "content": "calm down Ahmed
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 594886, "author_name": "khahuras", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 15:26:28", "content": "Why do you get many downvotes in this comment? You just gave a definition as I understand.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 594906, "author_name": "iggisv9t", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 15:55:19", "content": "It's gone too far. I think people who blame somebody with no evidence should be banned.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 594967, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 17:30:58", "content": "@divrikwicky I really can not support this way how you want to reach justice. You always need to specify, we are mathematicians and not historians. If someone has violated the rules, he must be personally punished. But generalizations never lead to anything good. Today you will generalize someone behalf of one large company where hundreds of programmers work, and tomorrow another person will say that the Turks or Russians do this and that and will generalize in this way, and is it good??
\n\nNo harassment based on ethnic, religion, gender etc as well as even company name can be accepted in Kaggle, I think.
\n\nBe specific or remove that.
\n\nP.S. Not working, not plan to work in X5
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595007, "author_name": "aerdem4", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 18:27:03", "content": "I won't even answer the guy who is not able to copy paste my name, and the other one with strange request:)
\n\n@muhakabartay I don't know why you think that company name is a generalization. This makes no sense. Nobody will think a random cashier at X5 is a cheater. You even compared it with ethnicity which is weird. Since you mentioned, if 3-5 Turkish people were involved in cheating, I would be reacting 10 times of what I react for X5. I wouldn't advocate some random people just because I am from the same country. X5 doesn't represent Russians. I always enjoyed teaming up with my Russian friends on Kaggle and at work. One of the top Kagglers that I see as a role model for myself is also Russian: https://www.kaggle.com/johnpateha I think he is also the one you should see as a role model, not X5.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595057, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 19:44:46", "content": "@divrikwicky Ok, Ahmet, the comparison with nationality was might not a good example.
\n\nAs for the main topic, I do not justify anyone who committed the offense (in our case private sharing which affects all of us), but do you really mind that all X5 employees (programmers, not cashiers, ... even more precisely those programmers who participate in Kaggle) are violators? If so, then proof of that is urgently needed and for each person (for each specifically!). Moreover, the one can judge is Kaggle administration under rules of Kaggle. You, me, others are only responsible to only point out to those violators. Do you agree with that? You are talking about a whole company, and many people within it, and many Kagglers not be in touch closely with the topic will think that all X5 people are violators and this is a social responsibility. If you think that it is, tell everybody directly (!) with no walking around via posting \"X5 = something\".
\n\nHonestly, I didn’t follow deeply what happened in that, I just came to Kaggle, but these disassembly and mockery are already evident too frequent. Thus, It's obvious to be solved as fast as possible with the Kaggle administration once and for all people involved in the violation of Kaggle rules (of course, specifying the Name, etc, not companies, organizations or anything else to avoid casting a shadow on a large number of people who were not involved).
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595063, "author_name": "muhakabartay", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/08/2019 19:51:00", "content": "@divrikwicky Thanks for the link. First time I see the original discussions.
\n\nFor all those who are interested in Statistics, I will be precise, see here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/h4211819/leaderboard-analysis\nEnjoy!!! ))))))))))))))))))
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595375, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 06:35:59", "content": "I want to second Ahmet, and not because he is my team mate in this competition.
\n\nFairness is key to ensure good quality competitions. That some people, namely the X5 ones, obviously cheated is very clear. It is bad, and it deters some to stay active on Kaggle. I think, and I hope, that downvotes were from people who didn't know about the story. Now that they do then maybe they can revert their downvote?
\n\nAlso, tweaking Ahmet writing in order to claim it is racist is just so silly, to say the least. It illustrates, once again, Godwin law.
\n\nSimilarly, generalizing X5 behavior to, say, all of ods.ai members is as silly. Many ods.ai members were really upset by X5 behavior. If I remember well, it is some ods.ai members who first pointed out X5 cheating.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595546, "author_name": "iggisv9t", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 10:53:07", "content": "Ok, I didn't follow the whole story, but even if it's true, there are two things that makes this story even worse:\n1. Why we discuss it here? This topic surely should not have been connected with cheating in another competition.\n2. X5 is a company. It's not a small band of kagglers. Few people might be cheaters or not (I don't know) but I also know people from X5 who didn't participate in fgvc6. Saying \"X5 are cheaters\" is wrong, because of wrong generalization. Say names, not company.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595550, "author_name": "iggisv9t", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 11:11:02", "content": "Ok, downvoters. Did I asked the wrong questions or what? If somebody from your company would be a cheater, how would you like it, if it automatically made you a cheater too? Will they still be cheater if they leave the company, or not? I sincerely do not understand your position.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595555, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 11:18:39", "content": "\n\n\nWhy we discuss it here?
\n
This is a fair question.
\n\nI am not Ahmet hence I can only guess. Given this post is about info for newcomers, stressing that private sharing outside team isn't a good idea is relevant.
\n\nYou point about not everybody at X5 being a cheater is also valid. But these cheaters created a very bad reputation for their company. It casts a shade on everybody in the company as a result.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595570, "author_name": "iggisv9t", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 11:42:43", "content": "Now I'm totally confused. Only thing I understood is that I do not understand what's going on.
", "votes": null, "replies": [] }, { "id": 595760, "author_name": "cpmpml", "author_url": "", "post_date": "08/09/2019 16:15:46", "content": "A last thing: I no longer complain about downvoters (I have my share of them), nor complain too much about cheaters. I am here to learn, and I can learn as long as teams share after competition end.
\n\nIn a way, and many may disagree with me on this, I am more concerned by those who never share when they do well rather than by those who cheat but share. I fully understand if others disagree strongly with this position and won't be bothered at all if it shows in my vote count ;)
", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "594143": "CV = Cros-validation score\nLB = Leaderboard score \n\nRead this for other terms https://www.kaggle.com/c/santander-customer-transaction-prediction/discussion/84638", "594174": "Or watch this video:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEJHyuWKd-s", "594201": "X5 = private sharing", "594761": "They even do private sharing for organized downvoting as if when I get x downvotes, X5 becomes innocent. 7 downvotes and counting. Nice poll to learn how many people are supporting private sharing. Please go one by one and downvote my all posts if you are such fanatics.\n\nReference for people who don't know the cheating story: https://www.kaggle.com/c/imet-2019-fgvc6/discussion\nPS: I was not even competing in that competition but I hate that people can cheat and get away with it.", "594872": "calm down Ahmed", "594886": "Why do you get many downvotes in this comment? You just gave a definition as I understand.", "594906": "It's gone too far. I think people who blame somebody with no evidence should be banned.", "594967": "divrikwicky I really can not support this way how you want to reach justice. You always need to specify, we are mathematicians and not historians. If someone has violated the rules, he must be personally punished. But generalizations never lead to anything good. Today you will generalize someone behalf of one large company where hundreds of programmers work, and tomorrow another person will say that the Turks or Russians do this and that and will generalize in this way, and is it good??\n\nNo harassment based on ethnic, religion, gender etc as well as even company name can be accepted in Kaggle, I think.\n\nBe specific or remove that. \n\nP.S. Not working, not plan to work in X5", "595007": "I won't even answer the guy who is not able to copy paste my name, and the other one with strange request:) \n\n@muhakabartay I don't know why you think that company name is a generalization. This makes no sense. Nobody will think a random cashier at X5 is a cheater. You even compared it with ethnicity which is weird. Since you mentioned, if 3-5 Turkish people were involved in cheating, I would be reacting 10 times of what I react for X5. I wouldn't advocate some random people just because I am from the same country. X5 doesn't represent Russians. I always enjoyed teaming up with my Russian friends on Kaggle and at work. One of the top Kagglers that I see as a role model for myself is also Russian: https://www.kaggle.com/johnpateha I think he is also the one you should see as a role model, not X5.", "595057": "divrikwicky Ok, Ahmet, the comparison with nationality was might not a good example. \n\nAs for the main topic, I do not justify anyone who committed the offense (in our case private sharing which affects all of us), but do you really mind that all X5 employees (programmers, not cashiers, ... even more precisely those programmers who participate in Kaggle) are violators? If so, then proof of that is urgently needed and for each person (for each specifically!). Moreover, the one can judge is Kaggle administration under rules of Kaggle. You, me, others are only responsible to only point out to those violators. Do you agree with that? You are talking about a whole company, and many people within it, and many Kagglers not be in touch closely with the topic will think that all X5 people are violators and this is a social responsibility. If you think that it is, tell everybody directly (!) with no walking around via posting \"X5 = something\".\n\nHonestly, I didn’t follow deeply what happened in that, I just came to Kaggle, but these disassembly and mockery are already evident too frequent. Thus, It's obvious to be solved as fast as possible with the Kaggle administration once and for all people involved in the violation of Kaggle rules (of course, specifying the Name, etc, not companies, organizations or anything else to avoid casting a shadow on a large number of people who were not involved).", "595063": "divrikwicky Thanks for the link. First time I see the original discussions.\n\nFor all those who are interested in Statistics, I will be precise, see here:\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/h4211819/leaderboard-analysis\nEnjoy!!! ))))))))))))))))))", "595375": "I want to second Ahmet, and not because he is my team mate in this competition. \n\n Fairness is key to ensure good quality competitions. That some people, namely the X5 ones, obviously cheated is very clear. It is bad, and it deters some to stay active on Kaggle. I think, and I hope, that downvotes were from people who didn't know about the story. Now that they do then maybe they can revert their downvote?\n\nAlso, tweaking Ahmet writing in order to claim it is racist is just so silly, to say the least. It illustrates, once again, [Godwin law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law).\n\nSimilarly, generalizing X5 behavior to, say, all of ods.ai members is as silly. Many ods.ai members were really upset by X5 behavior. If I remember well, it is some ods.ai members who first pointed out X5 cheating.", "595546": "Ok, I didn't follow the whole story, but even if it's true, there are two things that makes this story even worse:\n1. Why we discuss it here? This topic surely should not have been connected with cheating in another competition.\n2. X5 is a company. It's not a small band of kagglers. Few people might be cheaters or not (I don't know) but I also know people from X5 who didn't participate in fgvc6. Saying \"X5 are cheaters\" is wrong, because of wrong generalization. Say names, not company.", "595550": "Ok, downvoters. Did I asked the wrong questions or what? If somebody from your company would be a cheater, how would you like it, if it automatically made you a cheater too? Will they still be cheater if they leave the company, or not? I sincerely do not understand your position.", "595555": "> Why we discuss it here? \n\nThis is a fair question. \n\nI am not Ahmet hence I can only guess. Given this post is about info for newcomers, stressing that private sharing outside team isn't a good idea is relevant.\n\nYou point about not everybody at X5 being a cheater is also valid. But these cheaters created a very bad reputation for their company. It casts a shade on everybody in the company as a result.", "595570": "Now I'm totally confused. Only thing I understood is that I do not understand what's going on.", "595760": "A last thing: I no longer complain about downvoters (I have my share of them), nor complain too much about cheaters. I am here to learn, and I can learn as long as teams share after competition end. \n\nIn a way, and many may disagree with me on this, I am more concerned by those who never share when they do well rather than by those who cheat but share. I fully understand if others disagree strongly with this position and won't be bothered at all if it shows in my vote count ;)" }, "source": "meta" }