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Some mistakes cannot be avoided like what happened yesterday. Their team maybe not intentionally sharing their submission and everybody may make mistakes. \nSo, to prevent this happen again. I suggest closing the public kernel sharing at the final stage and reopen it when the competition finished which may prevent similar situations.
", "messages": [ { "id": 605030, "postDate": "2019-08-22T01:57:24.487Z", "content": "Some mistakes cannot be avoided like what happened yesterday. Their team maybe not intentionally sharing their submission and everybody may make mistakes. \nSo, to prevent this happen again. I suggest closing the public kernel sharing at the final stage and reopen it when the competition finished which may prevent similar situations.
", "rawMarkdown": "Some mistakes cannot be avoided like what happened yesterday. Their team maybe not intentionally sharing their submission and everybody may make mistakes. \nSo, to prevent this happen again. I suggest closing the public kernel sharing at the final stage and reopen it when the competition finished which may prevent similar situations. ", "votes": 62 }, { "id": 605144, "postDate": "2019-08-22T05:24:21.607Z", "content": "I've made the same proposal a while ago, it has been studied by Kaggle team and wasn't seen as a priority. I hope your ask will help raise the priority.
", "rawMarkdown": "I've made the same proposal a while ago, it has been studied by Kaggle team and wasn't seen as a priority. I hope your ask will help raise the priority.", "votes": 18, "replies": [ { "id": 605393, "postDate": "2019-08-22T10:42:27.043Z", "content": "I'm surprised to hear that. This was my first Kaggle competition, and the \"5 minute kernel\" episode is one reason why I may never come back. There's way too high a chance of months of work going to waste. I figured Kaggle would be interested in retaining competitors...
", "rawMarkdown": "I'm surprised to hear that. This was my first Kaggle competition, and the \"5 minute kernel\" episode is one reason why I may never come back. There's way too high a chance of months of work going to waste. I figured Kaggle would be interested in retaining competitors...", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 605423, "postDate": "2019-08-22T11:16:34.657Z", "content": "@abendorf, I feel your pain but please don't let this experience discourage you from Kaggling. I felt the same way a few times due to intentional or unintentional leaks and last minute stunts like in the Talking Data competition but I stayed on. My reason is simple. Kaggle is a good place to practice, stay on the cutting edge of the AI revolution, and sharpen your skills. I prioritized learning a whole lot more over medals after those experiences. So focus on what you would like to get out of your time here at Kaggle and decide accordingly.
\n\nGood luck and happy kaggling!!!
", "rawMarkdown": "@abendorf, I feel your pain but please don't let this experience discourage you from Kaggling. I felt the same way a few times due to intentional or unintentional leaks and last minute stunts like in the Talking Data competition but I stayed on. My reason is simple. Kaggle is a good place to practice, stay on the cutting edge of the AI revolution, and sharpen your skills. I prioritized learning a whole lot more over medals after those experiences. So focus on what you would like to get out of your time here at Kaggle and decide accordingly.\n\nGood luck and happy kaggling!!!", "votes": 5 }, { "id": 605451, "postDate": "2019-08-22T11:37:53.853Z", "content": "the trick is not to take the final LB position too seriously. but I usually fail to follow this advice.
", "rawMarkdown": "the trick is not to take the final LB position too seriously. but I usually fail to follow this advice. ", "votes": 3 }, { "id": 608011, "postDate": "2019-08-26T07:56:54.810Z", "content": "As @cpmpml mentioned, that proposal was raised several times, especially when it happened in Talking Data competition. In that competition I was in top 3-4 % before that kernel was shared - I did not use it which costs me a lot (drop out of the medal zone ~top 11%). It was unfair and I have similar feelings like you have but if you treat kaggle as a platform for knowledge sharing then you have already won the most important thing - knowledge.
\n\nMedals are important, but not the priority - you can meet amazing people here that will help you in learning process. In my opinion this is the best opportunity to increase your knowledge :)
\n\nCheers! Do not surrender cause of one/many unlucky moments
", "rawMarkdown": "As @cpmpml mentioned, that proposal was raised several times, especially when it happened in Talking Data competition. In that competition I was in top 3-4 % before that kernel was shared - I did not use it which costs me a lot (drop out of the medal zone ~top 11%). It was unfair and I have similar feelings like you have but if you treat kaggle as a platform for knowledge sharing then you have already won the most important thing - knowledge.\n\nMedals are important, but not the priority - you can meet amazing people here that will help you in learning process. In my opinion this is the best opportunity to increase your knowledge :) \n\nCheers! Do not surrender cause of one/many unlucky moments", "votes": 2 } ] }, { "id": 605044, "postDate": "2019-08-22T02:08:49.230Z", "content": "AGREE!!!\nWorking hard for three months, and ruined by this \"5 minutes\" incident, so upset!\n兔哥说，三个月不如蹲一个通宵 😂
", "rawMarkdown": "AGREE!!!\nWorking hard for three months, and ruined by this \"5 minutes\" incident, so upset!\n兔哥说，三个月不如蹲一个通宵 😂 ", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 609012, "postDate": "2019-08-27T10:38:40.047Z", "content": "Maybe the best way to minimize public sharing in the last week is to roll out the latest and greatest docker image that nobody can use.
", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe the best way to minimize public sharing in the last week is to roll out the latest and greatest docker image that nobody can use.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 605385, "postDate": "2019-08-22T10:24:43.893Z", "content": "There should be more solo-only competitions. But I agree that your proposal is a neat fix.
", "rawMarkdown": "There should be more solo-only competitions. But I agree that your proposal is a neat fix.", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 605583, "postDate": "2019-08-22T14:09:45.030Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 1, "isDeleted": true } ] }, { "id": 605200, "postDate": "2019-08-22T06:53:47.977Z", "content": "Agreed!
", "rawMarkdown": "Agreed!", "votes": 2 }, { "id": 605048, "postDate": "2019-08-22T02:23:40.370Z", "content": "Can't agree more.
", "rawMarkdown": "Can't agree more." }, { "id": 605401, "postDate": "2019-08-22T10:52:40.053Z", "content": "And what about lazy blenders? You don't think at all about them! What will they do if nobody publishes results during the last week? There is no way for them to get a free medal! :D
\n\nJust kidding.. I agree. There should be some time when you can work on your own without the need to check public kernels if somebody did not publish something groundbreaking what you need to implement in your own model to have a chance to win. I guess after almost three months all public features are published and publishing new cool features would be the same as publishing a kernel with great LB score.
", "rawMarkdown": "And what about lazy blenders? You don't think at all about them! What will they do if nobody publishes results during the last week? There is no way for them to get a free medal! :D\n\nJust kidding.. I agree. There should be some time when you can work on your own without the need to check public kernels if somebody did not publish something groundbreaking what you need to implement in your own model to have a chance to win. I guess after almost three months all public features are published and publishing new cool features would be the same as publishing a kernel with great LB score. ", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 608727, "postDate": "2019-08-27T05:35:50.230Z", "content": "@inversion Not only this proposal isn't implemented, but the soft version Kaggle decided to use, namely a banner warning against sharing of high value kernels during last week, is gone. I hope it is a side effect of renaming kernels into notebooks and not a deliberate decision to lift this soft version of the proposal to ban sharing during last week.
", "rawMarkdown": "@inversion Not only this proposal isn't implemented, but the soft version Kaggle decided to use, namely a banner warning against sharing of high value kernels during last week, is gone. I hope it is a side effect of renaming kernels into notebooks and not a deliberate decision to lift this soft version of the proposal to ban sharing during last week.", "replies": [ { "id": 608729, "postDate": "2019-08-27T05:39:01.747Z", "content": "
Interesting, I still see it.
", "rawMarkdown": "\n\nInteresting, I still see it.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 608751, "postDate": "2019-08-27T06:15:41.340Z", "content": "The banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably.
", "rawMarkdown": "The banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably." }, { "id": 608752, "postDate": "2019-08-27T06:15:53.167Z", "content": "![\"I\"](\"https://storage.googleapis.com/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/608752/14025/no_%20banner.png\")
I don't.
\n\n\nThe banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably.
\n
It does not.
\n\nMaybe I should share our -3.019 notebook then.
", "rawMarkdown": "> The banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably.\n\nIt does not.\n\nMaybe I should share our -3.019 notebook then." }, { "id": 608758, "postDate": "2019-08-27T06:28:31.990Z", "content": "i think you should
\n\n:)
", "rawMarkdown": "i think you should\n\n:)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 608782, "postDate": "2019-08-27T07:03:39.950Z", "content": "Interesting, sometimes I see this banner and sometimes I dont (just refreshing the page). Crazy stuff.
", "rawMarkdown": "Interesting, sometimes I see this banner and sometimes I dont (just refreshing the page). Crazy stuff.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 608854, "postDate": "2019-08-27T08:00:54.433Z", "content": "Indeed, the banner appears from time to time. Weird.
\n\nWell, as long as people can see it I'm fine ;)
", "rawMarkdown": "Indeed, the banner appears from time to time. Weird.\n\nWell, as long as people can see it I'm fine ;)" }, { "id": 608875, "postDate": "2019-08-27T08:33:26.620Z", "content": "Maybe this is A/B testing :)
", "rawMarkdown": "Maybe this is A/B testing :)", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 609010, "postDate": "2019-08-27T10:34:51.480Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 609030, "postDate": "2019-08-27T11:04:00.580Z", "content": "I also don't see but as @thomasnelson said, when I sort the notebook the banner pops up.
", "rawMarkdown": "I also don't see but as @thomasnelson said, when I sort the notebook the banner pops up." }, { "id": 609133, "postDate": "2019-08-27T12:37:54.577Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "isDeleted": true } ] }, { "id": 605574, "postDate": "2019-08-22T14:03:05.357Z", "content": "I totally agree! It should be implemented as soon as possible.
", "rawMarkdown": "I totally agree! It should be implemented as soon as possible. " }, { "id": 605390, "postDate": "2019-08-22T10:37:01.863Z", "content": "Great idea. I've wondered why they don't do this.
", "rawMarkdown": "Great idea. I've wondered why they don't do this." }, { "id": 605185, "postDate": "2019-08-22T06:40:30.507Z", "content": "it should be
", "rawMarkdown": "it should be" }, { "id": 605046, "postDate": "2019-08-22T02:16:03.243Z", "content": "I don't see why not!
", "rawMarkdown": "I don't see why not!" } ], "comments": [ { "id": 605144, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T05:24:21.607000", "content": "I've made the same proposal a while ago, it has been studied by Kaggle team and wasn't seen as a priority. I hope your ask will help raise the priority.
", "votes": 18, "replies": [ { "id": 605393, "author_name": "fafafa fafafafa", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T10:42:27.043000", "content": "I'm surprised to hear that. This was my first Kaggle competition, and the \"5 minute kernel\" episode is one reason why I may never come back. There's way too high a chance of months of work going to waste. I figured Kaggle would be interested in retaining competitors...
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605423, "author_name": "YaGana Sheriff-Hussaini", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T11:16:34.657000", "content": "@abendorf, I feel your pain but please don't let this experience discourage you from Kaggling. I felt the same way a few times due to intentional or unintentional leaks and last minute stunts like in the Talking Data competition but I stayed on. My reason is simple. Kaggle is a good place to practice, stay on the cutting edge of the AI revolution, and sharpen your skills. I prioritized learning a whole lot more over medals after those experiences. So focus on what you would like to get out of your time here at Kaggle and decide accordingly.
\n\nGood luck and happy kaggling!!!
", "votes": 5, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605451, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T11:37:53.853000", "content": "the trick is not to take the final LB position too seriously. but I usually fail to follow this advice.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608011, "author_name": "Meyk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-26T07:56:54.810000", "content": "As @cpmpml mentioned, that proposal was raised several times, especially when it happened in Talking Data competition. In that competition I was in top 3-4 % before that kernel was shared - I did not use it which costs me a lot (drop out of the medal zone ~top 11%). It was unfair and I have similar feelings like you have but if you treat kaggle as a platform for knowledge sharing then you have already won the most important thing - knowledge.
\n\nMedals are important, but not the priority - you can meet amazing people here that will help you in learning process. In my opinion this is the best opportunity to increase your knowledge :)
\n\nCheers! Do not surrender cause of one/many unlucky moments
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 605044, "author_name": "heng", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T02:08:49.230000", "content": "AGREE!!!\nWorking hard for three months, and ruined by this \"5 minutes\" incident, so upset!\n兔哥说，三个月不如蹲一个通宵 😂
", "votes": 8, "replies": [] }, { "id": 609012, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T10:38:40.047000", "content": "Maybe the best way to minimize public sharing in the last week is to roll out the latest and greatest docker image that nobody can use.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605385, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T10:24:43.893000", "content": "There should be more solo-only competitions. But I agree that your proposal is a neat fix.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 605583, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T14:09:45.030000", "content": "", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 605200, "author_name": "Stanislav Blinov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T06:53:47.977000", "content": "Agreed!
", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605048, "author_name": "fwj7", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T02:23:40.370000", "content": "Can't agree more.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605401, "author_name": "somnambWl", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T10:52:40.053000", "content": "And what about lazy blenders? You don't think at all about them! What will they do if nobody publishes results during the last week? There is no way for them to get a free medal! :D
\n\nJust kidding.. I agree. There should be some time when you can work on your own without the need to check public kernels if somebody did not publish something groundbreaking what you need to implement in your own model to have a chance to win. I guess after almost three months all public features are published and publishing new cool features would be the same as publishing a kernel with great LB score.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608727, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T05:35:50.230000", "content": "@inversion Not only this proposal isn't implemented, but the soft version Kaggle decided to use, namely a banner warning against sharing of high value kernels during last week, is gone. I hope it is a side effect of renaming kernels into notebooks and not a deliberate decision to lift this soft version of the proposal to ban sharing during last week.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [ { "id": 608729, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T05:39:01.747000", "content": "
Interesting, I still see it.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608751, "author_name": "Yuko Ishizaki", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T06:15:41.340000", "content": "The banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608752, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T06:15:53.167000", "content": " I don't.
\n\n\nThe banner warning will appear when you press Your Work tab. Probably.
\n
It does not.
\n\nMaybe I should share our -3.019 notebook then.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608758, "author_name": "Proletheus", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T06:28:31.990000", "content": "i think you should
\n\n:)
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608782, "author_name": "Stanislav Blinov", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T07:03:39.950000", "content": "Interesting, sometimes I see this banner and sometimes I dont (just refreshing the page). Crazy stuff.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608854, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T08:00:54.433000", "content": "Indeed, the banner appears from time to time. Weird.
\n\nWell, as long as people can see it I'm fine ;)
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 608875, "author_name": "Andrey Lukyanenko", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T08:33:26.620000", "content": "Maybe this is A/B testing :)
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 609010, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T10:34:51.480000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 609030, "author_name": "Fatih Öztürk", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T11:04:00.580000", "content": "I also don't see but as @thomasnelson said, when I sort the notebook the banner pops up.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 609133, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-27T12:37:54.577000", "content": "", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 605574, "author_name": "Alfonso Rodriguez", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T14:03:05.357000", "content": "I totally agree! It should be implemented as soon as possible.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605390, "author_name": "fafafa fafafafa", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T10:37:01.863000", "content": "Great idea. I've wondered why they don't do this.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605185, "author_name": "Dishin H Goyani", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T06:40:30.507000", "content": "it should be
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 605046, "author_name": "Kaggoo", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-08-22T02:16:03.243000", "content": "I don't see why not!
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "605030": "Some mistakes cannot be avoided like what happened yesterday. Their team maybe not intentionally sharing their submission and everybody may make mistakes. \nSo, to prevent this happen again. I suggest closing the public kernel sharing at the final stage and reopen it when the competition finished which may prevent similar situations. ", "605144": "I've made the same proposal a while ago, it has been studied by Kaggle team and wasn't seen as a priority. I hope your ask will help raise the priority.", "605044": "AGREE!!!\nWorking hard for three months, and ruined by this \"5 minutes\" incident, so upset!\n兔哥说，三个月不如蹲一个通宵 😂 ", "609012": "Maybe the best way to minimize public sharing in the last week is to roll out the latest and greatest docker image that nobody can use.", "605385": "There should be more solo-only competitions. But I agree that your proposal is a neat fix.", "605200": "Agreed!", "605048": "Can't agree more.", "605401": "And what about lazy blenders? You don't think at all about them! What will they do if nobody publishes results during the last week? There is no way for them to get a free medal! :D\n\nJust kidding.. I agree. There should be some time when you can work on your own without the need to check public kernels if somebody did not publish something groundbreaking what you need to implement in your own model to have a chance to win. I guess after almost three months all public features are published and publishing new cool features would be the same as publishing a kernel with great LB score. ", "608727": "@inversion Not only this proposal isn't implemented, but the soft version Kaggle decided to use, namely a banner warning against sharing of high value kernels during last week, is gone. I hope it is a side effect of renaming kernels into notebooks and not a deliberate decision to lift this soft version of the proposal to ban sharing during last week.", "605574": "I totally agree! It should be implemented as soon as possible. ", "605390": "Great idea. I've wondered why they don't do this.", "605185": "it should be", "605046": "I don't see why not!" } }