{
  "id": 95376,
  "title": "Are Antechamber and am1bcc charges allowed or not?",
  "url": "/competitions/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/95376",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2019-06-11T20:54:21.682528500Z",
  "votes": 1,
  "comment_count": 1,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>Hi, I would like to have some clarity about this program Antechamber that can be used free of charge to convert molecular files and to apply different charge schemes and and Amber atom types. Gasteiger, Mulliken as I understand are allowed, RESP needs QM calculations, so it is clearly on the black list, but what about am1bcc? </p>\n\n<p>```\n                     List of the File Formats  </p>\n\n<pre><code>    file format type  abbre. index | file format type abbre. index\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n    Antechamber        ac       1  | Sybyl Mol2         mol2    2 \n    PDB                pdb      3  | Modified PDB       mpdb    4 \n    AMBER PREP (int)   prepi    5  | AMBER PREP (car)   prepc   6 \n    Gaussian Z-Matrix  gzmat    7  | Gaussian Cartesian gcrt    8 \n    Mopac Internal     mopint   9  | Mopac Cartesian    mopcrt 10 \n    Gaussian Output    gout    11  | Mopac Output       mopout 12 \n    Alchemy            alc     13  | CSD                csd    14 \n    MDL                mdl     15  | Hyper              hin    16 \n    AMBER Restart      rst     17  | Jaguar Cartesian   jcrt   18 \n    Jaguar Z-Matrix    jzmat   19  | Jaguar Output      jout   20\n    Divcon Input       divcrt  21  | Divcon Output      divout 22\n    SQM Input          sqmcrt  23  | SQM Output         sqmout 24\n    Charmm             charmm  25  | Gaussian ESP       gesp   26\n    Component cif      ccif    27  | GAMESS dat         gamess 27\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n            AMBER restart file can only be read in as additional file.\n\n                 List of the Charge Methods  \n\n    charge method     abbre. index | charge method    abbre. index\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n    RESP               resp     1  |  AM1-BCC           bcc     2\n    CM1                cm1      3  |  CM2               cm2     4\n    ESP (Kollman)      esp      5  |  Mulliken          mul     6\n    Gasteiger          gas      7  |  Read in charge    rc      8\n    Write out charge   wc       9  |  Delete Charge     dc     10\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n</code></pre>\n\n<p>```</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "550626",
      "postDate": "06/11/2019 20:54:21",
      "content": "<p>Hi, I would like to have some clarity about this program Antechamber that can be used free of charge to convert molecular files and to apply different charge schemes and and Amber atom types. Gasteiger, Mulliken as I understand are allowed, RESP needs QM calculations, so it is clearly on the black list, but what about am1bcc? </p>\n\n<p>```\n                     List of the File Formats  </p>\n\n<pre><code>    file format type  abbre. index | file format type abbre. index\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n    Antechamber        ac       1  | Sybyl Mol2         mol2    2 \n    PDB                pdb      3  | Modified PDB       mpdb    4 \n    AMBER PREP (int)   prepi    5  | AMBER PREP (car)   prepc   6 \n    Gaussian Z-Matrix  gzmat    7  | Gaussian Cartesian gcrt    8 \n    Mopac Internal     mopint   9  | Mopac Cartesian    mopcrt 10 \n    Gaussian Output    gout    11  | Mopac Output       mopout 12 \n    Alchemy            alc     13  | CSD                csd    14 \n    MDL                mdl     15  | Hyper              hin    16 \n    AMBER Restart      rst     17  | Jaguar Cartesian   jcrt   18 \n    Jaguar Z-Matrix    jzmat   19  | Jaguar Output      jout   20\n    Divcon Input       divcrt  21  | Divcon Output      divout 22\n    SQM Input          sqmcrt  23  | SQM Output         sqmout 24\n    Charmm             charmm  25  | Gaussian ESP       gesp   26\n    Component cif      ccif    27  | GAMESS dat         gamess 27\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n            AMBER restart file can only be read in as additional file.\n\n                 List of the Charge Methods  \n\n    charge method     abbre. index | charge method    abbre. index\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n    RESP               resp     1  |  AM1-BCC           bcc     2\n    CM1                cm1      3  |  CM2               cm2     4\n    ESP (Kollman)      esp      5  |  Mulliken          mul     6\n    Gasteiger          gas      7  |  Read in charge    rc      8\n    Write out charge   wc       9  |  Delete Charge     dc     10\n    --------------------------------------------------------------\n</code></pre>\n\n<p>```</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Hi, I would like to have some clarity about this program Antechamber that can be used free of charge to convert molecular files and to apply different charge schemes and and Amber atom types. Gasteiger, Mulliken as I understand are allowed, RESP needs QM calculations, so it is clearly on the black list, but what about am1bcc? \n\n```\n\t         \t     List of the File Formats  \n\n\t \tfile format type  abbre. index | file format type abbre. index\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\tAntechamber        ac       1  | Sybyl Mol2         mol2    2 \n\t\tPDB                pdb      3  | Modified PDB       mpdb    4 \n\t\tAMBER PREP (int)   prepi    5  | AMBER PREP (car)   prepc   6 \n\t\tGaussian Z-Matrix  gzmat    7  | Gaussian Cartesian gcrt    8 \n\t\tMopac Internal     mopint   9  | Mopac Cartesian    mopcrt 10 \n\t\tGaussian Output    gout    11  | Mopac Output       mopout 12 \n\t\tAlchemy            alc     13  | CSD                csd    14 \n\t\tMDL                mdl     15  | Hyper              hin    16 \n\t\tAMBER Restart      rst     17  | Jaguar Cartesian   jcrt   18 \n\t\tJaguar Z-Matrix    jzmat   19  | Jaguar Output      jout   20\n\t\tDivcon Input       divcrt  21  | Divcon Output      divout 22\n\t\tSQM Input          sqmcrt  23  | SQM Output         sqmout 24\n\t\tCharmm             charmm  25  | Gaussian ESP       gesp   26\n\t\tComponent cif      ccif    27  | GAMESS dat         gamess 27\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n                AMBER restart file can only be read in as additional file.\n\n\t         \t     List of the Charge Methods  \n\n\t\tcharge method     abbre. index | charge method    abbre. index\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\tRESP               resp     1  |  AM1-BCC           bcc     2\n\t\tCM1                cm1      3  |  CM2               cm2     4\n\t\tESP (Kollman)      esp      5  |  Mulliken          mul     6\n\t\tGasteiger          gas      7  |  Read in charge    rc      8\n\t\tWrite out charge   wc       9  |  Delete Charge     dc     10\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\n```",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "552014",
      "postDate": "06/13/2019 12:12:15",
      "content": "<p>Please check the discussion below.\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993\">https://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993</a></p>\n\n<p>From this discussion,\nUsing antechamber is OK.\nUsing AM1BCC is not allowed because it uses semi-empirical QM calculation named AM1.\nI guess it is not allowed to use Mulliken charge obtained by antechamber because mulliken charge is a QM method in general sense.\nOn the other hand, Gasteiger charge may be acceptable. It is a completely empirical scheme.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Please check the discussion below.\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993\n\nFrom this discussion,\nUsing antechamber is OK.\nUsing AM1BCC is not allowed because it uses semi-empirical QM calculation named AM1.\nI guess it is not allowed to use Mulliken charge obtained by antechamber because mulliken charge is a QM method in general sense.\nOn the other hand, Gasteiger charge may be acceptable. It is a completely empirical scheme.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 552014,
      "author_name": "girugamess",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "06/13/2019 12:12:15",
      "content": "<p>Please check the discussion below.\n<a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993\">https://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993</a></p>\n\n<p>From this discussion,\nUsing antechamber is OK.\nUsing AM1BCC is not allowed because it uses semi-empirical QM calculation named AM1.\nI guess it is not allowed to use Mulliken charge obtained by antechamber because mulliken charge is a QM method in general sense.\nOn the other hand, Gasteiger charge may be acceptable. It is a completely empirical scheme.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    }
  ],
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    "550626": "Hi, I would like to have some clarity about this program Antechamber that can be used free of charge to convert molecular files and to apply different charge schemes and and Amber atom types. Gasteiger, Mulliken as I understand are allowed, RESP needs QM calculations, so it is clearly on the black list, but what about am1bcc? \n\n```\n\t         \t     List of the File Formats  \n\n\t \tfile format type  abbre. index | file format type abbre. index\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\tAntechamber        ac       1  | Sybyl Mol2         mol2    2 \n\t\tPDB                pdb      3  | Modified PDB       mpdb    4 \n\t\tAMBER PREP (int)   prepi    5  | AMBER PREP (car)   prepc   6 \n\t\tGaussian Z-Matrix  gzmat    7  | Gaussian Cartesian gcrt    8 \n\t\tMopac Internal     mopint   9  | Mopac Cartesian    mopcrt 10 \n\t\tGaussian Output    gout    11  | Mopac Output       mopout 12 \n\t\tAlchemy            alc     13  | CSD                csd    14 \n\t\tMDL                mdl     15  | Hyper              hin    16 \n\t\tAMBER Restart      rst     17  | Jaguar Cartesian   jcrt   18 \n\t\tJaguar Z-Matrix    jzmat   19  | Jaguar Output      jout   20\n\t\tDivcon Input       divcrt  21  | Divcon Output      divout 22\n\t\tSQM Input          sqmcrt  23  | SQM Output         sqmout 24\n\t\tCharmm             charmm  25  | Gaussian ESP       gesp   26\n\t\tComponent cif      ccif    27  | GAMESS dat         gamess 27\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n                AMBER restart file can only be read in as additional file.\n\n\t         \t     List of the Charge Methods  \n\n\t\tcharge method     abbre. index | charge method    abbre. index\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\t\tRESP               resp     1  |  AM1-BCC           bcc     2\n\t\tCM1                cm1      3  |  CM2               cm2     4\n\t\tESP (Kollman)      esp      5  |  Mulliken          mul     6\n\t\tGasteiger          gas      7  |  Read in charge    rc      8\n\t\tWrite out charge   wc       9  |  Delete Charge     dc     10\n\t\t--------------------------------------------------------------\n\n```",
    "552014": "Please check the discussion below.\nhttps://www.kaggle.com/c/champs-scalar-coupling/discussion/94457#latest-551993\n\nFrom this discussion,\nUsing antechamber is OK.\nUsing AM1BCC is not allowed because it uses semi-empirical QM calculation named AM1.\nI guess it is not allowed to use Mulliken charge obtained by antechamber because mulliken charge is a QM method in general sense.\nOn the other hand, Gasteiger charge may be acceptable. It is a completely empirical scheme."
  },
  "source": "meta"
}