![\"\"](\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-user-content/o/inbox%2F256034%2Ff4e460eae44b45f82b08e1a903209c49%2FPlagiarized_button2.jpg?generation=1563213512490736&alt=media\")
Should we have a button for the community to vote down plagiarized Kernels?
\n\nFresh Case\nConfirmed by the original Kernel author
\n\n**Update: the kernel was deleted
\n\n**Update2: I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the need for 'Plagiarized' button.\n
**Update3: Button design is a work in progress
\n\n**Update4: A similar button already exists as @addisonhoward pointed out if one clicks to the right of \"Copy and Edit\"
", "messages": [ { "id": 575511, "postDate": "2019-07-15T14:20:25.843Z", "content": "Should we have a button for the community to vote down plagiarized Kernels?
\n\nFresh Case\nConfirmed by the original Kernel author
\n\n**Update: the kernel was deleted
\n\n**Update2: I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the need for 'Plagiarized' button.\n
**Update3: Button design is a work in progress
\n\n**Update4: A similar button already exists as @addisonhoward pointed out if one clicks to the right of \"Copy and Edit\"
", "rawMarkdown": "Should we have a button for the community to vote down plagiarized Kernels?\n\n[Fresh Case](https://www.kaggle.com/ganeshnimmala/how-to-easy-visualization-of-molecules)\n[Confirmed by the original Kernel author](https://www.kaggle.com/ganeshnimmala/how-to-easy-visualization-of-molecules#575499)\n\n**Update: the kernel was deleted\n\n**Update2: I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the need for 'Plagiarized' button.\n\n\n**Update3: Button design is a work in progress\n\n****Update4: A similar button already exists as @addisonhoward pointed out if one clicks to the right of \"Copy and Edit\"**\n", "votes": 8 }, { "id": 575717, "postDate": "2019-07-15T23:07:37.160Z", "content": "Back when I was new there was no way I had the Kaggle skill set to include links and references in a forked kernel.
\nAfter being on here for two years not sure I can do it now ! And I certainly don't ever feel like I have the time.
But than I don't make my forks public.
\n\nIf memory serves there are some restrictions on the value of new folks up votes. If I have been here for two years, if my up vote counts, than shame on me for up voting a pure copy.
\n\nLike many things in life we seem to spend a lot of time on the 1% rule breakers, often to the pain of the other 99%. All the effort to minimize leader board probing is a great example of that 1% rule creating challenges that I will not be joining just cause the probe protection is a pain - for example, waiting another 8 hours for my submission to run on the very private data set.
\n\nMy mother use to say \"don't worry about what your sister is doing - eat your peas\"
", "rawMarkdown": "Back when I was new there was no way I had the Kaggle skill set to include links and references in a forked kernel. \nAfter being on here for two years not sure I can do it now ! And I certainly don't ever feel like I have the time.\n\nBut than I don't make my forks public.\n\nIf memory serves there are some restrictions on the value of new folks up votes. If I have been here for two years, if my up vote counts, than shame on me for up voting a pure copy. \n\nLike many things in life we seem to spend a lot of time on the 1% rule breakers, often to the pain of the other 99%. All the effort to minimize leader board probing is a great example of that 1% rule creating challenges that I will not be joining just cause the probe protection is a pain - for example, waiting another 8 hours for my submission to run on the very private data set.\n\nMy mother use to say \"don't worry about what your sister is doing - eat your peas\"", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 576865, "postDate": "2019-07-16T05:37:36.047Z", "content": "Words of wisdom, thanks.
", "rawMarkdown": "Words of wisdom, thanks." }, { "id": 576930, "postDate": "2019-07-16T07:15:05.740Z", "content": "very wise points to ponder @pcjimmmy
", "rawMarkdown": "very wise points to ponder @pcjimmmy " } ] }, { "id": 575586, "postDate": "2019-07-15T17:31:58.697Z", "content": "You can report Kernels for plagiarism (see the drop down in the upper right hand corner of the Kernel.) - we have a moderation team that reviews these reports, but please note that A) reporting a kernel does not guarantee it's removal, and B) it may take a few days for our team to review it.
\n\nThanks!
", "rawMarkdown": "You can report Kernels for plagiarism (see the drop down in the upper right hand corner of the Kernel.) - we have a moderation team that reviews these reports, but please note that A) reporting a kernel does not guarantee it's removal, and B) it may take a few days for our team to review it.\n\nThanks!", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 575593, "postDate": "2019-07-15T17:45:22.403Z", "content": "Thanks @addisonhoward for clarifying this point.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks @addisonhoward for clarifying this point." }, { "id": 575603, "postDate": "2019-07-15T18:04:35.310Z", "content": "Thank you for clarifying this. I will stop my work on designing my special button.\nI am wondering how many kernels like that survive. If too many then, maybe, you could make the reporting button more prominent.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for clarifying this. I will stop my work on designing my special button.\nI am wondering how many kernels like that survive. If too many then, maybe, you could make the reporting button more prominent.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 577214, "postDate": "2019-07-16T13:39:37.567Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 1, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 577350, "postDate": "2019-07-16T16:11:18.640Z", "content": "Agree, this should be clarified. Most of us here are not lawyers.\nCould always be reported as \"an attempt to unfairly game the kernel ranking system\"
", "rawMarkdown": "Agree, this should be clarified. Most of us here are not lawyers.\nCould always be reported as \"an attempt to unfairly game the kernel ranking system\"" }, { "id": 577434, "postDate": "2019-07-16T17:18:16.217Z", "content": "It's a bit tricky. Public kernels are considered open source. So plagiarizing an open-source kernel could be considered simply using an open-source kernel. However if you report a kernel for plagiarism, our team will review it and usually tries to work with the kernel author to ensure proper attribution is given.
", "rawMarkdown": "It's a bit tricky. Public kernels are considered open source. So plagiarizing an open-source kernel could be considered simply using an open-source kernel. However if you report a kernel for plagiarism, our team will review it and usually tries to work with the kernel author to ensure proper attribution is given.", "votes": 3 } ] }, { "id": 576850, "postDate": "2019-07-16T05:21:40.600Z", "content": "Thanks for bringing this up again Mycroft. Please have a look at this topic too: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/80571
\n\nA few people are still \" surviving\", which I hate, so if you see more plagiarism, please hit the button ;-)
", "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for bringing this up again Mycroft. Please have a look at this topic too: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/80571\n\nA few people are still \" surviving\", which I hate, so if you see more plagiarism, please hit the button ;-)", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 577352, "postDate": "2019-07-16T16:12:24.607Z", "content": "Thank you for the valuable resource on the topic.
", "rawMarkdown": "Thank you for the valuable resource on the topic." } ] }, { "id": 575558, "postDate": "2019-07-15T16:25:56.883Z", "content": "I get a 404 for both links...
", "rawMarkdown": "I get a 404 for both links...", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 575575, "postDate": "2019-07-15T17:06:45.760Z", "content": "the kernel was deleted. it actually happened very fast: maybe 10 min after I started the thread.\np.s. see the evidence in the image below\np.p.s. I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the 'Plagiarized' button.
", "rawMarkdown": "the kernel was deleted. it actually happened very fast: maybe 10 min after I started the thread.\np.s. see the evidence in the image below\np.p.s. I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the 'Plagiarized' button." } ] }, { "id": 575528, "postDate": "2019-07-15T14:52:38.930Z", "content": "@stocks I have mixed opinion about it. \nI use multiple kernels to learn and always try to maintain a reference. Since I am learning, it is critical for me to look on other kernels. Sometimes , it is not feasible to name the person. so say : \"I have used multiple kernels as reference for this model\". sometimes i mention person details or kernel details also.
\n\nI think taking code and giving reference should be okay as we all are collaborating on this platform.
\n\nEdit: I just gave my reference as a learner. So we could get a better decision.
", "rawMarkdown": "@stocks I have mixed opinion about it. \nI use multiple kernels to learn and always try to maintain a reference. Since I am learning, it is critical for me to look on other kernels. Sometimes , it is not feasible to name the person. so say : \"I have used multiple kernels as reference for this model\". sometimes i mention person details or kernel details also. \n\nI think taking code and giving reference should be okay as we all are collaborating on this platform. \n\nEdit: I just gave my reference as a learner. So we could get a better decision. ", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 575548, "postDate": "2019-07-15T16:06:23.200Z", "content": "This was not about omitting a few refs. The only kernel change was removal of the original author's signature. Still, the kernel was upvoted several times shortly after being published. Check the comments.
\n\n![\"\"](\"https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-user-content/o/inbox%2F256034%2F9c7be835686a6e642247adf7e87ed8be%2Fplagiarized_kernel.jpg?generation=1563206563419062&alt=media\")
Yes. You are right. It is not good for the kaggle community.
\n\nTo prevent such incidents, I agree with your down vote button with an additional feature of sending an email to the corresponding person with some training materials of do and don'ts of kaggle.
\n\n@prmohanty what do you say.
", "rawMarkdown": "Yes. You are right. It is not good for the kaggle community.\n\n To prevent such incidents, I agree with your down vote button with an additional feature of sending an email to the corresponding person with some training materials of do and don'ts of kaggle. \n\n@prmohanty what do you say.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 575580, "postDate": "2019-07-15T17:19:29.137Z", "content": "@ankittomar1 @stocks , my 2 cents -
\n\na) Plagiarising the whole kernel as it is by just removing the details of the original author is not acceptable and violates the fundamental respect for the Intellectual Property and effort spent by someone else to develop something.
\n\nb) But , in the same time we should allow others to be inspired from our knowledge and build or extend on top of it , so , if someone is taking an existing kernel as inspiration and enhance that kernel while giving due credit to the original author .
\n\nOne of the thing which I liked most about the Data Science area is ….all resources/platforms/knowledge are 'Democratized' and that's one of the reason for the flourishing of this field ,,and we should together enable this ecosystem.
", "rawMarkdown": "@ankittomar1 @stocks , my 2 cents -\n\na) Plagiarising the whole kernel as it is by just removing the details of the original author is not acceptable and violates the fundamental respect for the Intellectual Property and effort spent by someone else to develop something.\n\nb) But , in the same time we should allow others to be inspired from our knowledge and build or extend on top of it , so , if someone is taking an existing kernel as inspiration and enhance that kernel while giving due credit to the original author .\n\nOne of the thing which I liked most about the Data Science area is ….all resources/platforms/knowledge are 'Democratized' and that's one of the reason for the flourishing of this field ,,and we should together enable this ecosystem.", "votes": 1 } ] }, { "id": 575518, "postDate": "2019-07-15T14:32:42.187Z", "content": "@stocks In my opinion, Makes a lot of sense!
", "rawMarkdown": "@stocks In my opinion, Makes a lot of sense!", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 577211, "postDate": "2019-07-16T13:34:50.783Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 6, "isDeleted": true, "replies": [ { "id": 577256, "postDate": "2019-07-16T14:43:54.993Z", "content": "I see your point. 'Plagiarize' is the wrong term then.\nSo, the kernel should not have been deleted, is that your opinion?
\n\nWe have a reward system that encourages sharing. If somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author.
\n\nIt seems that the reward system is incompatible with Apache 2.0 open source license.
", "rawMarkdown": "I see your point. 'Plagiarize' is the wrong term then.\nSo, the kernel should not have been deleted, is that your opinion?\n\nWe have a reward system that encourages sharing. If somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author. \n\nIt seems that the reward system is incompatible with Apache 2.0 open source license.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 577263, "postDate": "2019-07-16T14:48:40.893Z", "rawMarkdown": "", "votes": 2, "isDeleted": true }, { "id": 577335, "postDate": "2019-07-16T15:56:53.270Z", "content": "Who deleted the kernel in question? I am guessing it was Kaggle. From the image with that kernel comments I previously posted, it does look like an attempt to Upvote a copy of a popular kernel to game the kernel ranking system.
", "rawMarkdown": "Who deleted the kernel in question? I am guessing it was Kaggle. From the image with that kernel comments I previously posted, it does look like an attempt to Upvote a copy of a popular kernel to game the kernel ranking system." }, { "id": 577365, "postDate": "2019-07-16T16:26:39.300Z", "content": "Just make sure to put your name in it everywhere so the plagiarizer has to leave \"prominent notices\" if they remove your name.
", "rawMarkdown": "Just make sure to put your name in it everywhere so the plagiarizer has to leave \"prominent notices\" if they remove your name.", "votes": 1 }, { "id": 577433, "postDate": "2019-07-16T17:16:11.017Z", "content": "\n\n\nIf somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author.
\n
Then it is a flaw in the medals system. I proposed a cure there: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/93573#latest-539235
", "rawMarkdown": "> If somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author. \n\nThen it is a flaw in the medals system. I proposed a cure there: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/93573#latest-539235", "votes": 1 } ] } ], "comments": [ { "id": 575717, "author_name": "PC Jimmmy", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T23:07:37.160000", "content": "Back when I was new there was no way I had the Kaggle skill set to include links and references in a forked kernel.
\nAfter being on here for two years not sure I can do it now ! And I certainly don't ever feel like I have the time.
But than I don't make my forks public.
\n\nIf memory serves there are some restrictions on the value of new folks up votes. If I have been here for two years, if my up vote counts, than shame on me for up voting a pure copy.
\n\nLike many things in life we seem to spend a lot of time on the 1% rule breakers, often to the pain of the other 99%. All the effort to minimize leader board probing is a great example of that 1% rule creating challenges that I will not be joining just cause the probe protection is a pain - for example, waiting another 8 hours for my submission to run on the very private data set.
\n\nMy mother use to say \"don't worry about what your sister is doing - eat your peas\"
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 576865, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T05:37:36.047000", "content": "Words of wisdom, thanks.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 576930, "author_name": "P_R_Mohanty", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T07:15:05.740000", "content": "very wise points to ponder @pcjimmmy
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 575586, "author_name": "Addison Howard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T17:31:58.697000", "content": "You can report Kernels for plagiarism (see the drop down in the upper right hand corner of the Kernel.) - we have a moderation team that reviews these reports, but please note that A) reporting a kernel does not guarantee it's removal, and B) it may take a few days for our team to review it.
\n\nThanks!
", "votes": 5, "replies": [ { "id": 575593, "author_name": "P_R_Mohanty", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T17:45:22.403000", "content": "Thanks @addisonhoward for clarifying this point.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 575603, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T18:04:35.310000", "content": "Thank you for clarifying this. I will stop my work on designing my special button.\nI am wondering how many kernels like that survive. If too many then, maybe, you could make the reporting button more prominent.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577214, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T13:39:37.567000", "content": "", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577350, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T16:11:18.640000", "content": "Agree, this should be clarified. Most of us here are not lawyers.\nCould always be reported as \"an attempt to unfairly game the kernel ranking system\"
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577434, "author_name": "Addison Howard", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T17:18:16.217000", "content": "It's a bit tricky. Public kernels are considered open source. So plagiarizing an open-source kernel could be considered simply using an open-source kernel. However if you report a kernel for plagiarism, our team will review it and usually tries to work with the kernel author to ensure proper attribution is given.
", "votes": 3, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 576850, "author_name": "Erik Bruin", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T05:21:40.600000", "content": "Thanks for bringing this up again Mycroft. Please have a look at this topic too: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/80571
\n\nA few people are still \" surviving\", which I hate, so if you see more plagiarism, please hit the button ;-)
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 577352, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T16:12:24.607000", "content": "Thank you for the valuable resource on the topic.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 575558, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T16:25:56.883000", "content": "I get a 404 for both links...
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 575575, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T17:06:45.760000", "content": "the kernel was deleted. it actually happened very fast: maybe 10 min after I started the thread.\np.s. see the evidence in the image below\np.p.s. I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the 'Plagiarized' button.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 575528, "author_name": "Ankit", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T14:52:38.930000", "content": "@stocks I have mixed opinion about it. \nI use multiple kernels to learn and always try to maintain a reference. Since I am learning, it is critical for me to look on other kernels. Sometimes , it is not feasible to name the person. so say : \"I have used multiple kernels as reference for this model\". sometimes i mention person details or kernel details also.
\n\nI think taking code and giving reference should be okay as we all are collaborating on this platform.
\n\nEdit: I just gave my reference as a learner. So we could get a better decision.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [ { "id": 575548, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T16:06:23.200000", "content": "This was not about omitting a few refs. The only kernel change was removal of the original author's signature. Still, the kernel was upvoted several times shortly after being published. Check the comments.
\n\n
Yes. You are right. It is not good for the kaggle community.
\n\nTo prevent such incidents, I agree with your down vote button with an additional feature of sending an email to the corresponding person with some training materials of do and don'ts of kaggle.
\n\n@prmohanty what do you say.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 575580, "author_name": "P_R_Mohanty", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T17:19:29.137000", "content": "@ankittomar1 @stocks , my 2 cents -
\n\na) Plagiarising the whole kernel as it is by just removing the details of the original author is not acceptable and violates the fundamental respect for the Intellectual Property and effort spent by someone else to develop something.
\n\nb) But , in the same time we should allow others to be inspired from our knowledge and build or extend on top of it , so , if someone is taking an existing kernel as inspiration and enhance that kernel while giving due credit to the original author .
\n\nOne of the thing which I liked most about the Data Science area is ….all resources/platforms/knowledge are 'Democratized' and that's one of the reason for the flourishing of this field ,,and we should together enable this ecosystem.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] }, { "id": 575518, "author_name": "Ritisha Jaiswal", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-15T14:32:42.187000", "content": "@stocks In my opinion, Makes a lot of sense!
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577211, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T13:34:50.783000", "content": "", "votes": 6, "replies": [ { "id": 577256, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T14:43:54.993000", "content": "I see your point. 'Plagiarize' is the wrong term then.\nSo, the kernel should not have been deleted, is that your opinion?
\n\nWe have a reward system that encourages sharing. If somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author.
\n\nIt seems that the reward system is incompatible with Apache 2.0 open source license.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577263, "author_name": "", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T14:48:40.893000", "content": "", "votes": 2, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577335, "author_name": "Mycroft Holmes", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T15:56:53.270000", "content": "Who deleted the kernel in question? I am guessing it was Kaggle. From the image with that kernel comments I previously posted, it does look like an attempt to Upvote a copy of a popular kernel to game the kernel ranking system.
", "votes": 0, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577365, "author_name": "Tord Malmgren", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T16:26:39.300000", "content": "Just make sure to put your name in it everywhere so the plagiarizer has to leave \"prominent notices\" if they remove your name.
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] }, { "id": 577433, "author_name": "CPMP", "author_url": "", "post_date": "2019-07-16T17:16:11.017000", "content": "\n\n\nIf somebody blindly copies without attributing, then they take the medals from the original author.
\n
Then it is a flaw in the medals system. I proposed a cure there: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/93573#latest-539235
", "votes": 1, "replies": [] } ] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "575511": "Should we have a button for the community to vote down plagiarized Kernels?\n\n[Fresh Case](https://www.kaggle.com/ganeshnimmala/how-to-easy-visualization-of-molecules)\n[Confirmed by the original Kernel author](https://www.kaggle.com/ganeshnimmala/how-to-easy-visualization-of-molecules#575499)\n\n**Update: the kernel was deleted\n\n**Update2: I don't want this thread to be about a particular kernel, more about the need for 'Plagiarized' button.\n\n\n**Update3: Button design is a work in progress\n\n****Update4: A similar button already exists as @addisonhoward pointed out if one clicks to the right of \"Copy and Edit\"**\n", "575717": "Back when I was new there was no way I had the Kaggle skill set to include links and references in a forked kernel. \nAfter being on here for two years not sure I can do it now ! And I certainly don't ever feel like I have the time.\n\nBut than I don't make my forks public.\n\nIf memory serves there are some restrictions on the value of new folks up votes. If I have been here for two years, if my up vote counts, than shame on me for up voting a pure copy. \n\nLike many things in life we seem to spend a lot of time on the 1% rule breakers, often to the pain of the other 99%. All the effort to minimize leader board probing is a great example of that 1% rule creating challenges that I will not be joining just cause the probe protection is a pain - for example, waiting another 8 hours for my submission to run on the very private data set.\n\nMy mother use to say \"don't worry about what your sister is doing - eat your peas\"", "575586": "You can report Kernels for plagiarism (see the drop down in the upper right hand corner of the Kernel.) - we have a moderation team that reviews these reports, but please note that A) reporting a kernel does not guarantee it's removal, and B) it may take a few days for our team to review it.\n\nThanks!", "576850": "Thanks for bringing this up again Mycroft. Please have a look at this topic too: https://www.kaggle.com/product-feedback/80571\n\nA few people are still \" surviving\", which I hate, so if you see more plagiarism, please hit the button ;-)", "575558": "I get a 404 for both links...", "575528": "@stocks I have mixed opinion about it. \nI use multiple kernels to learn and always try to maintain a reference. Since I am learning, it is critical for me to look on other kernels. Sometimes , it is not feasible to name the person. so say : \"I have used multiple kernels as reference for this model\". sometimes i mention person details or kernel details also. \n\nI think taking code and giving reference should be okay as we all are collaborating on this platform. \n\nEdit: I just gave my reference as a learner. So we could get a better decision. ", "575518": "@stocks In my opinion, Makes a lot of sense!", "577211": "" } }