{
  "id": 662871,
  "title": "Help needed: Regarding the paper appearing in the image, is the biomass in the area covered by the paper assumed to be zero by default?",
  "url": "/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/662871",
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  "post_date": "2025-12-15T10:25:46.332904600Z",
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  "content": "<p>Help needed: Regarding the paper appearing in the image, is the biomass in the area covered by the paper assumed to be zero by default?</p>",
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      "id": "3376872",
      "postDate": "12/15/2025 10:25:46",
      "content": "<p>Help needed: Regarding the paper appearing in the image, is the biomass in the area covered by the paper assumed to be zero by default?</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Help needed: Regarding the paper appearing in the image, is the biomass in the area covered by the paper assumed to be zero by default?",
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      "id": "3377037",
      "postDate": "12/15/2025 15:25:15",
      "content": "<p>Pretty sure that is a bad assumption.  </p>\n<p>A better assumption would be that the images were never intended to be used for training a model.  After all, vision models in 2017 could barely tell cats from dogs.  The <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/613941\" target=\"_blank\">publication paper</a> does make mention that photos were taken for quality control purposes, likewise the discussion about this competition suggests that 50% of the images they had needed to be discarded for various reasons.  An image with a small amount of the id card would still be usable.</p>\n<p>In a <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/651525#3376869\" target=\"_blank\">discussion post</a> someone shared an approach (clean_image) - there are a number of issues on the edge of many images to be handled.  I am using a different approach but my view is that you do need to do something about the edges.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Pretty sure that is a bad assumption.  \n\nA better assumption would be that the images were never intended to be used for training a model.  After all, vision models in 2017 could barely tell cats from dogs.  The [publication paper](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/613941) does make mention that photos were taken for quality control purposes, likewise the discussion about this competition suggests that 50% of the images they had needed to be discarded for various reasons.  An image with a small amount of the id card would still be usable.\n\nIn a [discussion post](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/651525#3376869) someone shared an approach (clean_image) - there are a number of issues on the edge of many images to be handled.  I am using a different approach but my view is that you do need to do something about the edges.",
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      "id": 3377037,
      "author_name": "pcjimmmy",
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      "post_date": "12/15/2025 15:25:15",
      "content": "<p>Pretty sure that is a bad assumption.  </p>\n<p>A better assumption would be that the images were never intended to be used for training a model.  After all, vision models in 2017 could barely tell cats from dogs.  The <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/613941\" target=\"_blank\">publication paper</a> does make mention that photos were taken for quality control purposes, likewise the discussion about this competition suggests that 50% of the images they had needed to be discarded for various reasons.  An image with a small amount of the id card would still be usable.</p>\n<p>In a <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/651525#3376869\" target=\"_blank\">discussion post</a> someone shared an approach (clean_image) - there are a number of issues on the edge of many images to be handled.  I am using a different approach but my view is that you do need to do something about the edges.</p>",
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    "3376872": "Help needed: Regarding the paper appearing in the image, is the biomass in the area covered by the paper assumed to be zero by default?",
    "3377037": "Pretty sure that is a bad assumption.  \n\nA better assumption would be that the images were never intended to be used for training a model.  After all, vision models in 2017 could barely tell cats from dogs.  The [publication paper](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/613941) does make mention that photos were taken for quality control purposes, likewise the discussion about this competition suggests that 50% of the images they had needed to be discarded for various reasons.  An image with a small amount of the id card would still be usable.\n\nIn a [discussion post](https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/csiro-biomass/discussion/651525#3376869) someone shared an approach (clean_image) - there are a number of issues on the edge of many images to be handled.  I am using a different approach but my view is that you do need to do something about the edges."
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