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  "id": 667773,
  "title": "Can we drop accents?",
  "url": "/competitions/deep-past-initiative-machine-translation/discussion/667773",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2026-01-14T07:05:45.159627500Z",
  "votes": 1,
  "comment_count": 2,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>I figured out that accents seem to be a mess in the case of the published_texts.csv, as a spanish speaker, I suppose accents don't actually convey any meaning besides oral pronunciation, but what about the other signs? Just, what other signs are there that don't convey any meaning?. How is ga-la-bu-šu different from ga-lá-bu-šu (OA_lexicon:10050). Are logograms compound of ideas, or concepts as a whole?. Thanks. </p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "3390931",
      "postDate": "01/14/2026 07:05:45",
      "content": "<p>I figured out that accents seem to be a mess in the case of the published_texts.csv, as a spanish speaker, I suppose accents don't actually convey any meaning besides oral pronunciation, but what about the other signs? Just, what other signs are there that don't convey any meaning?. How is ga-la-bu-šu different from ga-lá-bu-šu (OA_lexicon:10050). Are logograms compound of ideas, or concepts as a whole?. Thanks. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I figured out that accents seem to be a mess in the case of the published_texts.csv, as a spanish speaker, I suppose accents don't actually convey any meaning besides oral pronunciation, but what about the other signs? Just, what other signs are there that don't convey any meaning?. How is ga-la-bu-šu different from ga-lá-bu-šu (OA_lexicon:10050). Are logograms compound of ideas, or concepts as a whole?. Thanks.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3390979",
      "postDate": "01/14/2026 08:33:35",
      "content": "<p>I would advise against it.</p>\n<p>Accents hold information about the sign/reading they represent, so if you drop it, it automatically creates more ambiguity. Some explanation can be found <a href=\"https://www.crystalinks.com/cuneiformscript.html\" target=\"_blank\">here</a> <em>(emphasis mine)</em>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>There are differing conventions for transliterating Sumerian, Akkadian (Babylonian) and Hittite (and Luwian) cuneiform texts. One convention that sees wide use across the different fields is the use of acute and grave accents as an abbreviation for homophone disambiguation. <strong>Thus, u is equivalent to u1, the first glyph expressing phonetic u. An acute accent, u, is equivalent to the second, u2, and a grave accent u to the third, u3 glyph in the series (while the sequence of numbering is conventional but essentially arbitrary and subject to the history of decipherment).</strong>  In Sumerian transliteration, a multiplication sign 'x' is used to indicate ligatures.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>It does not necessary convey the accent per se but contributes to distinguishing of the signs.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I would advise against it.\n\nAccents hold information about the sign/reading they represent, so if you drop it, it automatically creates more ambiguity. Some explanation can be found [here](https://www.crystalinks.com/cuneiformscript.html) *(emphasis mine)*:\n> There are differing conventions for transliterating Sumerian, Akkadian (Babylonian) and Hittite (and Luwian) cuneiform texts. One convention that sees wide use across the different fields is the use of acute and grave accents as an abbreviation for homophone disambiguation. **Thus, u is equivalent to u1, the first glyph expressing phonetic u. An acute accent, u, is equivalent to the second, u2, and a grave accent u to the third, u3 glyph in the series (while the sequence of numbering is conventional but essentially arbitrary and subject to the history of decipherment).**  In Sumerian transliteration, a multiplication sign 'x' is used to indicate ligatures.\n\nIt does not necessary convey the accent per se but contributes to distinguishing of the signs.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "3391359",
      "postDate": "01/14/2026 19:35:03",
      "content": "<p>Sounds about right. I guess I'll just implement a spell checking for words. However there are a bunch of words that don't seem to be documented in the file (or are misspelled).. However back to the other topic, I wonder if <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/deeppast\" target=\"_blank\">@deeppast</a> can answer if each ascii character represents an idea ( does every ascii character map to a logogram, or an idea, what does the - actually mean), or any semantic info on how grammar works in this case. Thanks, great insight <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/angantyr\" target=\"_blank\">@angantyr</a>, loved your notebook on data analysis.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Sounds about right. I guess I'll just implement a spell checking for words. However there are a bunch of words that don't seem to be documented in the file (or are misspelled).. However back to the other topic, I wonder if @deeppast can answer if each ascii character represents an idea ( does every ascii character map to a logogram, or an idea, what does the - actually mean), or any semantic info on how grammar works in this case. Thanks, great insight @angantyr, loved your notebook on data analysis.",
      "votes": null
    }
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  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 3390979,
      "author_name": "angantyr",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "01/14/2026 08:33:35",
      "content": "<p>I would advise against it.</p>\n<p>Accents hold information about the sign/reading they represent, so if you drop it, it automatically creates more ambiguity. Some explanation can be found <a href=\"https://www.crystalinks.com/cuneiformscript.html\" target=\"_blank\">here</a> <em>(emphasis mine)</em>:</p>\n<blockquote>\n  <p>There are differing conventions for transliterating Sumerian, Akkadian (Babylonian) and Hittite (and Luwian) cuneiform texts. One convention that sees wide use across the different fields is the use of acute and grave accents as an abbreviation for homophone disambiguation. <strong>Thus, u is equivalent to u1, the first glyph expressing phonetic u. An acute accent, u, is equivalent to the second, u2, and a grave accent u to the third, u3 glyph in the series (while the sequence of numbering is conventional but essentially arbitrary and subject to the history of decipherment).</strong>  In Sumerian transliteration, a multiplication sign 'x' is used to indicate ligatures.</p>\n</blockquote>\n<p>It does not necessary convey the accent per se but contributes to distinguishing of the signs.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 3391359,
          "author_name": "icr007",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "01/14/2026 19:35:03",
          "content": "<p>Sounds about right. I guess I'll just implement a spell checking for words. However there are a bunch of words that don't seem to be documented in the file (or are misspelled).. However back to the other topic, I wonder if <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/deeppast\" target=\"_blank\">@deeppast</a> can answer if each ascii character represents an idea ( does every ascii character map to a logogram, or an idea, what does the - actually mean), or any semantic info on how grammar works in this case. Thanks, great insight <a href=\"https://www.kaggle.com/angantyr\" target=\"_blank\">@angantyr</a>, loved your notebook on data analysis.</p>",
          "votes": null,
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        }
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    "3390931": "I figured out that accents seem to be a mess in the case of the published_texts.csv, as a spanish speaker, I suppose accents don't actually convey any meaning besides oral pronunciation, but what about the other signs? Just, what other signs are there that don't convey any meaning?. How is ga-la-bu-šu different from ga-lá-bu-šu (OA_lexicon:10050). Are logograms compound of ideas, or concepts as a whole?. Thanks.",
    "3390979": "I would advise against it.\n\nAccents hold information about the sign/reading they represent, so if you drop it, it automatically creates more ambiguity. Some explanation can be found [here](https://www.crystalinks.com/cuneiformscript.html) *(emphasis mine)*:\n> There are differing conventions for transliterating Sumerian, Akkadian (Babylonian) and Hittite (and Luwian) cuneiform texts. One convention that sees wide use across the different fields is the use of acute and grave accents as an abbreviation for homophone disambiguation. **Thus, u is equivalent to u1, the first glyph expressing phonetic u. An acute accent, u, is equivalent to the second, u2, and a grave accent u to the third, u3 glyph in the series (while the sequence of numbering is conventional but essentially arbitrary and subject to the history of decipherment).**  In Sumerian transliteration, a multiplication sign 'x' is used to indicate ligatures.\n\nIt does not necessary convey the accent per se but contributes to distinguishing of the signs.",
    "3391359": "Sounds about right. I guess I'll just implement a spell checking for words. However there are a bunch of words that don't seem to be documented in the file (or are misspelled).. However back to the other topic, I wonder if @deeppast can answer if each ascii character represents an idea ( does every ascii character map to a logogram, or an idea, what does the - actually mean), or any semantic info on how grammar works in this case. Thanks, great insight @angantyr, loved your notebook on data analysis."
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