{ "id": 680446, "title": "(pdf)-Translation sometimes different from train.csv translation", "url": "/competitions/deep-past-initiative-machine-translation/discussion/680446", "author_name": "", "post_date": "2026-03-08T09:40:25.823590900Z", "votes": 4, "comment_count": 1, "views": 0, "content": "

Hi,\nthis might have already been answere in one of the many topics, but I didn't find it. There is so much to catch up on…\nI noticed that sometimes the translation in the provided pdfs is very different from the translation in the train.csv. And I dont mean missing pieces or wrong alignment. It is clearly a translation about the same thing, but very different. Here two examples I found:

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1.\"4ff5b1df-abae-4b3c-a1eb-2a0e3db160ab\":

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train_csv:

\n
\n

you sent to me and I shall not meet with the man while he is (still) alive. I shall sell your goods at any price and then I shall come (with) what silver I receive from your outstanding claims, and I shall see your eye there, with you and serve you. Although I did not reach that realisation(?), my dear father, do not be angry. Since they bring šikku-copper and washed copper, one package after another, you owe him favours for me

\n
\n

Akt 6e (kt 94/k 1486):

\n
\n

… you did not send to me and I shall not \n meet with the man any more as long as he is \n alive. \n I shall sell your goods, cheap or dear, and \n then I shall come (with) what silver I receive \n from your outstanding claims, and I shall see \n your eye there, … with you and serve you.

\n
\n

Notice that not only it is formulated differently, in the first part it says \"you sent to me\" and in the pdf \"you did NOT send to me\"

\n

2.\"6e1f457c-74c0-4e35-8d9b-64dcde103453\":

\n

train_csv:

\n
\n

why, someone from among my sons bought the house. Lamassī lives in it.

\n
\n

Akt 6e (kt 94/k 1325):

\n
\n

… Indeed, if someone from among my sons \n should buy the house, Lamassī will live in it.

\n
\n

Which one is more accurate?

", "messages": [ { "id": "3418492", "postDate": "03/08/2026 09:40:25", "content": "

Hi,\nthis might have already been answere in one of the many topics, but I didn't find it. There is so much to catch up on…\nI noticed that sometimes the translation in the provided pdfs is very different from the translation in the train.csv. And I dont mean missing pieces or wrong alignment. It is clearly a translation about the same thing, but very different. Here two examples I found:

\n

1.\"4ff5b1df-abae-4b3c-a1eb-2a0e3db160ab\":

\n

train_csv:

\n
\n

you sent to me and I shall not meet with the man while he is (still) alive. I shall sell your goods at any price and then I shall come (with) what silver I receive from your outstanding claims, and I shall see your eye there, with you and serve you. Although I did not reach that realisation(?), my dear father, do not be angry. Since they bring šikku-copper and washed copper, one package after another, you owe him favours for me

\n
\n

Akt 6e (kt 94/k 1486):

\n
\n

… you did not send to me and I shall not \n meet with the man any more as long as he is \n alive. \n I shall sell your goods, cheap or dear, and \n then I shall come (with) what silver I receive \n from your outstanding claims, and I shall see \n your eye there, … with you and serve you.

\n
\n

Notice that not only it is formulated differently, in the first part it says \"you sent to me\" and in the pdf \"you did NOT send to me\"

\n

2.\"6e1f457c-74c0-4e35-8d9b-64dcde103453\":

\n

train_csv:

\n
\n

why, someone from among my sons bought the house. Lamassī lives in it.

\n
\n

Akt 6e (kt 94/k 1325):

\n
\n

… Indeed, if someone from among my sons \n should buy the house, Lamassī will live in it.

\n
\n

Which one is more accurate?

", "rawMarkdown": "Hi,\nthis might have already been answere in one of the many topics, but I didn't find it. There is so much to catch up on...\nI noticed that sometimes the translation in the provided pdfs is very different from the translation in the train.csv. And I dont mean missing pieces or wrong alignment. It is clearly a translation about the same thing, but very different. Here two examples I found:\n\n1.\"4ff5b1df-abae-4b3c-a1eb-2a0e3db160ab\":\n\ntrain_csv:\n\n> you sent to me and I shall not meet with the man while he is (still) alive. I shall sell your goods at any price and then I shall come (with) what silver I receive from your outstanding claims, and I shall see your eye there, with you and serve you. Although I did not reach that realisation(?), my dear father, do not be angry. Since they bring šikku-copper and washed copper, one package after another, you owe him favours for me \n\nAkt 6e (kt 94/k 1486):\n\n>... you did not send to me and I shall not \nmeet with the man any more as long as he is \nalive. \nI shall sell your goods, cheap or dear, and \nthen I shall come (with) what silver I receive \nfrom your outstanding claims, and I shall see \nyour eye there, ... with you and serve you.\n\nNotice that not only it is formulated differently, in the first part it says \"you sent to me\" and in the pdf \"you did NOT send to me\"\n\n2.\"6e1f457c-74c0-4e35-8d9b-64dcde103453\":\n\ntrain_csv:\n\n> why, someone from among my sons bought the house. Lamassī lives in it.\n\nAkt 6e (kt 94/k 1325):\n\n>... Indeed, if someone from among my sons \nshould buy the house, Lamassī will live in it.\n\nWhich one is more accurate?", "votes": null }, { "id": "3418512", "postDate": "03/08/2026 10:57:12", "content": "

It happens in even in small translation, for instance:

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PDF:\n\"\"

\n

CSV:\n\"\"

\n

If you ask Gemini for this example, it will report that PDF is accurate but CSV is not wrong.

\n

\"\"

", "rawMarkdown": "It happens in even in small translation, for instance:\n\n**PDF:**\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2F8fde936f8af68dd30b663be5e822a746%2Fk1404_pdf.png?generation=1772967290728076&alt=media)\n\n**CSV:**\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2Ff7a14a596f6e3c87c9d1c0dcbaf98b8e%2Fk1404_csv.png?generation=1772967308945335&alt=media)\n\nIf you ask Gemini for this example, it will report that PDF is accurate but CSV is not wrong.\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2F690ed77f75ae7c14fbc73ef89ded6909%2Fk1404.png?generation=1772967346374624&alt=media)", "votes": null } ], "comments": [ { "id": 3418512, "author_name": "mpware", "author_url": "", "post_date": "03/08/2026 10:57:12", "content": "

It happens in even in small translation, for instance:

\n

PDF:\n\"\"

\n

CSV:\n\"\"

\n

If you ask Gemini for this example, it will report that PDF is accurate but CSV is not wrong.

\n

\"\"

", "votes": null, "replies": [] } ], "raw_markdown_by_id": { "3418492": "Hi,\nthis might have already been answere in one of the many topics, but I didn't find it. There is so much to catch up on...\nI noticed that sometimes the translation in the provided pdfs is very different from the translation in the train.csv. And I dont mean missing pieces or wrong alignment. It is clearly a translation about the same thing, but very different. Here two examples I found:\n\n1.\"4ff5b1df-abae-4b3c-a1eb-2a0e3db160ab\":\n\ntrain_csv:\n\n> you sent to me and I shall not meet with the man while he is (still) alive. I shall sell your goods at any price and then I shall come (with) what silver I receive from your outstanding claims, and I shall see your eye there, with you and serve you. Although I did not reach that realisation(?), my dear father, do not be angry. Since they bring šikku-copper and washed copper, one package after another, you owe him favours for me \n\nAkt 6e (kt 94/k 1486):\n\n>... you did not send to me and I shall not \nmeet with the man any more as long as he is \nalive. \nI shall sell your goods, cheap or dear, and \nthen I shall come (with) what silver I receive \nfrom your outstanding claims, and I shall see \nyour eye there, ... with you and serve you.\n\nNotice that not only it is formulated differently, in the first part it says \"you sent to me\" and in the pdf \"you did NOT send to me\"\n\n2.\"6e1f457c-74c0-4e35-8d9b-64dcde103453\":\n\ntrain_csv:\n\n> why, someone from among my sons bought the house. Lamassī lives in it.\n\nAkt 6e (kt 94/k 1325):\n\n>... Indeed, if someone from among my sons \nshould buy the house, Lamassī will live in it.\n\nWhich one is more accurate?", "3418512": "It happens in even in small translation, for instance:\n\n**PDF:**\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2F8fde936f8af68dd30b663be5e822a746%2Fk1404_pdf.png?generation=1772967290728076&alt=media)\n\n**CSV:**\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2Ff7a14a596f6e3c87c9d1c0dcbaf98b8e%2Fk1404_csv.png?generation=1772967308945335&alt=media)\n\nIf you ask Gemini for this example, it will report that PDF is accurate but CSV is not wrong.\n\n![](https://www.googleapis.com/download/storage/v1/b/kaggle-forum-message-attachments/o/inbox%2F698363%2F690ed77f75ae7c14fbc73ef89ded6909%2Fk1404.png?generation=1772967346374624&alt=media)" }, "source": "meta" }