{
  "id": 72017,
  "title": "Score 0 with one-shot",
  "url": "/competitions/ga-customer-revenue-prediction/discussion/72017",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2018-11-19T13:53:26.103235800Z",
  "votes": 5,
  "comment_count": 9,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>It has been a long time since LB became meaningless: we can see the LB filled with the score of 0. <br>\nYou will notice that there are many teams who submit only once scoring zero. So, I decided to scrape LB and to count the number.  </p>\n\n<p><strong>The result is shown in the bar chart below.</strong>  </p>\n\n<p>The number is <strong>193 teams</strong> at the time I post this (November 19th 2018). <br>\nThis means that <em>193 teams will disappear or shake down due to their wrong submission when Private LB is calculated</em>. (So, you may be now ranked 193 place higher than it is, if you are not lazy)  </p>\n\n<p>What do you think about this issue? </p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p><img src=\"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/score-zero-chart-181119.png\" alt=\"enter image description here\"></p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p><strong>I will update the chart the day before submission deadline.</strong></p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "424066",
      "postDate": "11/19/2018 13:53:26",
      "content": "<p>It has been a long time since LB became meaningless: we can see the LB filled with the score of 0. <br>\nYou will notice that there are many teams who submit only once scoring zero. So, I decided to scrape LB and to count the number.  </p>\n\n<p><strong>The result is shown in the bar chart below.</strong>  </p>\n\n<p>The number is <strong>193 teams</strong> at the time I post this (November 19th 2018). <br>\nThis means that <em>193 teams will disappear or shake down due to their wrong submission when Private LB is calculated</em>. (So, you may be now ranked 193 place higher than it is, if you are not lazy)  </p>\n\n<p>What do you think about this issue? </p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p><img src=\"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/score-zero-chart-181119.png\" alt=\"enter image description here\"></p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p><strong>I will update the chart the day before submission deadline.</strong></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It has been a long time since LB became meaningless: we can see the LB filled with the score of 0.  \nYou will notice that there are many teams who submit only once scoring zero. So, I decided to scrape LB and to count the number.  \n\n**The result is shown in the bar chart below.**  \n\nThe number is **193 teams** at the time I post this (November 19th 2018).  \nThis means that *193 teams will disappear or shake down due to their wrong submission when Private LB is calculated*. (So, you may be now ranked 193 place higher than it is, if you are not lazy)  \n\nWhat do you think about this issue? \n\n<br>\n\n![enter image description here][1]\n\n<br>\n\n**I will update the chart the day before submission deadline.**\n\n  [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/score-zero-chart-181119.png \"image\"",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "424168",
      "postDate": "11/19/2018 17:25:44",
      "content": "<p>The fact, that those teams have only 1 submission doesn't necessarily mean they are not competing. I'm also competing in this competition, but I haven't do any submissions yet at all. Because all public test set target is available and there is no point to submit anything (only maybe to check submission format) - I'm simply validating my models offline. I'll probably submit only 2 submissions in the last day of the competition and those will be my final 2 submissions.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "The fact, that those teams have only 1 submission doesn't necessarily mean they are not competing. I'm also competing in this competition, but I haven't do any submissions yet at all. Because all public test set target is available and there is no point to submit anything (only maybe to check submission format) - I'm simply validating my models offline. I'll probably submit only 2 submissions in the last day of the competition and those will be my final 2 submissions.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "424174",
      "postDate": "11/19/2018 17:43:53",
      "content": "<p>Nice chart!</p>\n\n<p>It is too bad that it is now unclear which teams are performing well in the competition. I wonder why Kaggle won't clear the leaderboard. Maybe it is because the competition is nearly over. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Nice chart!\n\nIt is too bad that it is now unclear which teams are performing well in the competition. I wonder why Kaggle won't clear the leaderboard. Maybe it is because the competition is nearly over.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "424188",
      "postDate": "11/19/2018 18:03:57",
      "content": "<p>I don't think it matters. Everyone knows not to rely on the LB in this competition. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I don't think it matters. Everyone knows not to rely on the LB in this competition.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "424333",
      "postDate": "11/19/2018 23:13:14",
      "content": "<p>Thanks for your comments, @alijs, @Carlo and @Allen. Yes, as you all say, the number does not make sense at all. This chart is just for fun.\nAnd, as @alijs says, what we should do is just to focus on validating our models. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for your comments, @alijs, @Carlo and @Allen. Yes, as you all say, the number does not make sense at all. This chart is just for fun.\nAnd, as @alijs says, what we should do is just to focus on validating our models.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "424342",
      "postDate": "11/20/2018 00:04:24",
      "content": "<p>I don't know if it's true but I tried to compute the rmse on test set and compare it to my score when I submit. The scores are real differents.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I don't know if it's true but I tried to compute the rmse on test set and compare it to my score when I submit. The scores are real differents.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "430525",
      "postDate": "11/30/2018 14:34:14",
      "content": "<p>As I said, here are the chart (left) showing how many teams getting score 0 by the number of entries. There are <strong>217 teams</strong> scoring 0 with one-shot.  </p>\n\n<p>And, I added another chart (right) showing how many teams getting score <em>2.1138</em> by the number of entries (You can get <em>2.1138</em> when <em>all predict values are 0</em>). There are <strong>79 teams</strong> whose best score is 2.1138.    </p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p>Anyway, once the competition ends, what you can do is to wait the result...like a <strong>New Year's Lottery!</strong>  </p>\n\n<p><img src=\"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/GACRP-LB-Chart-181130.png\" alt=\"GACRP-LB-Chart-181130\"></p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "As I said, here are the chart (left) showing how many teams getting score 0 by the number of entries. There are **217 teams** scoring 0 with one-shot.  \n\nAnd, I added another chart (right) showing how many teams getting score *2.1138* by the number of entries (You can get *2.1138* when *all predict values are 0*). There are **79 teams** whose best score is 2.1138.    \n\n<br>\n\nAnyway, once the competition ends, what you can do is to wait the result...like a **New Year's Lottery!**  \n\n![GACRP-LB-Chart-181130][1]\n\n  [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/GACRP-LB-Chart-181130.png \"image\"",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "430644",
      "postDate": "11/30/2018 19:20:48",
      "content": "<p>It would be really funny if the 1st place solution was the first person to submit an all-zeros submission.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It would be really funny if the 1st place solution was the first person to submit an all-zeros submission.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "430651",
      "postDate": "11/30/2018 19:41:50",
      "content": "<p>The secret is to predict all zero's, except one.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "The secret is to predict all zero's, except one.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "430682",
      "postDate": "11/30/2018 20:53:17",
      "content": "<p>Yes, it is very funny, but it can happen.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Yes, it is very funny, but it can happen.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 424168,
      "author_name": "alijs1",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/19/2018 17:25:44",
      "content": "<p>The fact, that those teams have only 1 submission doesn't necessarily mean they are not competing. I'm also competing in this competition, but I haven't do any submissions yet at all. Because all public test set target is available and there is no point to submit anything (only maybe to check submission format) - I'm simply validating my models offline. I'll probably submit only 2 submissions in the last day of the competition and those will be my final 2 submissions.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 424342,
          "author_name": "qnkhuat",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "11/20/2018 00:04:24",
          "content": "<p>I don't know if it's true but I tried to compute the rmse on test set and compare it to my score when I submit. The scores are real differents.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    },
    {
      "id": 424174,
      "author_name": "carlolepelaars",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/19/2018 17:43:53",
      "content": "<p>Nice chart!</p>\n\n<p>It is too bad that it is now unclear which teams are performing well in the competition. I wonder why Kaggle won't clear the leaderboard. Maybe it is because the competition is nearly over. </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 424188,
      "author_name": "afgonczol",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/19/2018 18:03:57",
      "content": "<p>I don't think it matters. Everyone knows not to rely on the LB in this competition. </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 424333,
      "author_name": "takaishikawa",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/19/2018 23:13:14",
      "content": "<p>Thanks for your comments, @alijs, @Carlo and @Allen. Yes, as you all say, the number does not make sense at all. This chart is just for fun.\nAnd, as @alijs says, what we should do is just to focus on validating our models. </p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": []
    },
    {
      "id": 430525,
      "author_name": "takaishikawa",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "11/30/2018 14:34:14",
      "content": "<p>As I said, here are the chart (left) showing how many teams getting score 0 by the number of entries. There are <strong>217 teams</strong> scoring 0 with one-shot.  </p>\n\n<p>And, I added another chart (right) showing how many teams getting score <em>2.1138</em> by the number of entries (You can get <em>2.1138</em> when <em>all predict values are 0</em>). There are <strong>79 teams</strong> whose best score is 2.1138.    </p>\n\n<p><br></p>\n\n<p>Anyway, once the competition ends, what you can do is to wait the result...like a <strong>New Year's Lottery!</strong>  </p>\n\n<p><img src=\"https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/GACRP-LB-Chart-181130.png\" alt=\"GACRP-LB-Chart-181130\"></p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 430644,
          "author_name": "jsaguiar",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "11/30/2018 19:20:48",
          "content": "<p>It would be really funny if the 1st place solution was the first person to submit an all-zeros submission.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 430651,
          "author_name": "danisz",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "11/30/2018 19:41:50",
          "content": "<p>The secret is to predict all zero's, except one.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 430682,
          "author_name": "takaishikawa",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "11/30/2018 20:53:17",
          "content": "<p>Yes, it is very funny, but it can happen.</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
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    "424066": "It has been a long time since LB became meaningless: we can see the LB filled with the score of 0.  \nYou will notice that there are many teams who submit only once scoring zero. So, I decided to scrape LB and to count the number.  \n\n**The result is shown in the bar chart below.**  \n\nThe number is **193 teams** at the time I post this (November 19th 2018).  \nThis means that *193 teams will disappear or shake down due to their wrong submission when Private LB is calculated*. (So, you may be now ranked 193 place higher than it is, if you are not lazy)  \n\nWhat do you think about this issue? \n\n<br>\n\n![enter image description here][1]\n\n<br>\n\n**I will update the chart the day before submission deadline.**\n\n  [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/score-zero-chart-181119.png \"image\"",
    "424168": "The fact, that those teams have only 1 submission doesn't necessarily mean they are not competing. I'm also competing in this competition, but I haven't do any submissions yet at all. Because all public test set target is available and there is no point to submit anything (only maybe to check submission format) - I'm simply validating my models offline. I'll probably submit only 2 submissions in the last day of the competition and those will be my final 2 submissions.",
    "424174": "Nice chart!\n\nIt is too bad that it is now unclear which teams are performing well in the competition. I wonder why Kaggle won't clear the leaderboard. Maybe it is because the competition is nearly over.",
    "424188": "I don't think it matters. Everyone knows not to rely on the LB in this competition.",
    "424333": "Thanks for your comments, @alijs, @Carlo and @Allen. Yes, as you all say, the number does not make sense at all. This chart is just for fun.\nAnd, as @alijs says, what we should do is just to focus on validating our models.",
    "424342": "I don't know if it's true but I tried to compute the rmse on test set and compare it to my score when I submit. The scores are real differents.",
    "430525": "As I said, here are the chart (left) showing how many teams getting score 0 by the number of entries. There are **217 teams** scoring 0 with one-shot.  \n\nAnd, I added another chart (right) showing how many teams getting score *2.1138* by the number of entries (You can get *2.1138* when *all predict values are 0*). There are **79 teams** whose best score is 2.1138.    \n\n<br>\n\nAnyway, once the competition ends, what you can do is to wait the result...like a **New Year's Lottery!**  \n\n![GACRP-LB-Chart-181130][1]\n\n  [1]: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/takaiyuk/notebooks/master/output/GACRP-LB-Chart-181130.png \"image\"",
    "430644": "It would be really funny if the 1st place solution was the first person to submit an all-zeros submission.",
    "430651": "The secret is to predict all zero's, except one.",
    "430682": "Yes, it is very funny, but it can happen."
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