{
  "id": 164962,
  "title": "Can we use BatchNorm even though its patented?",
  "url": "/competitions/global-wheat-detection/discussion/164962",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2020-07-08T03:46:47.328274200Z",
  "votes": 5,
  "comment_count": 4,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>BatchNorm is patented by google and may have legal issues👀 \n<a href=\"https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en\">https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en</a></p>\n\n<p>since the hosts and kaggle is cautious about legal issues, I'm feeling that we shouldn't use layers or network with patent issues (e.g. dropout, fasterrcnn)</p>\n\n<p>(I'm just mocking the host. My point is that since this is a competition to build up ideas and not a product, we shouldn't get too concerned in legal stuff.)</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "919671",
      "postDate": "07/08/2020 03:46:47",
      "content": "<p>BatchNorm is patented by google and may have legal issues👀 \n<a href=\"https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en\">https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en</a></p>\n\n<p>since the hosts and kaggle is cautious about legal issues, I'm feeling that we shouldn't use layers or network with patent issues (e.g. dropout, fasterrcnn)</p>\n\n<p>(I'm just mocking the host. My point is that since this is a competition to build up ideas and not a product, we shouldn't get too concerned in legal stuff.)</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "BatchNorm is patented by google and may have legal issues👀 \nhttps://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en\n\nsince the hosts and kaggle is cautious about legal issues, I'm feeling that we shouldn't use layers or network with patent issues (e.g. dropout, fasterrcnn)\n\n(I'm just mocking the host. My point is that since this is a competition to build up ideas and not a product, we shouldn't get too concerned in legal stuff.)",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "919690",
      "postDate": "07/08/2020 04:09:24",
      "content": "<p>I guess the host is planning to use the solution commercially, in that case, BatchNorm can be used only under google's authorization.\nOtherwise, Google can sue the host to hell .\nI worked in a company which got sued and fined by 10 billion dollars by some US local court, for some ambigous patent.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "I guess the host is planning to use the solution commercially, in that case, BatchNorm can be used only under google's authorization.\nOtherwise, Google can sue the host to hell .\nI worked in a company which got sued and fined by 10 billion dollars by some US local court, for some ambigous patent.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "919722",
      "postDate": "07/08/2020 04:35:53",
      "content": "<p>wow you had a hell of a roller coaster..\nwe should never forget that Big G is always watching us..</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "wow you had a hell of a roller coaster..\nwe should never forget that Big G is always watching us..",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "919961",
      "postDate": "07/08/2020 08:16:42",
      "content": "<p>By the way , it seems we have the same score on leaderboard for now , LOL !!!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "By the way , it seems we have the same score on leaderboard for now , LOL !!!",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "919970",
      "postDate": "07/08/2020 08:23:35",
      "content": "<p>As far as I know, companies like google only patent concepts like BatchNorm to sue back a company in case it sues them unfairly. </p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "As far as I know, companies like google only patent concepts like BatchNorm to sue back a company in case it sues them unfairly.",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 919690,
      "author_name": "alexwang2019",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "07/08/2020 04:09:24",
      "content": "<p>I guess the host is planning to use the solution commercially, in that case, BatchNorm can be used only under google's authorization.\nOtherwise, Google can sue the host to hell .\nI worked in a company which got sued and fined by 10 billion dollars by some US local court, for some ambigous patent.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 919722,
          "author_name": "kyoshioka47",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "07/08/2020 04:35:53",
          "content": "<p>wow you had a hell of a roller coaster..\nwe should never forget that Big G is always watching us..</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 919961,
          "author_name": "alexwang2019",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "07/08/2020 08:16:42",
          "content": "<p>By the way , it seems we have the same score on leaderboard for now , LOL !!!</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        },
        {
          "id": 919970,
          "author_name": "timetraveller98",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "07/08/2020 08:23:35",
          "content": "<p>As far as I know, companies like google only patent concepts like BatchNorm to sue back a company in case it sues them unfairly. </p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
  ],
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    "919671": "BatchNorm is patented by google and may have legal issues👀 \nhttps://patents.google.com/patent/US20160217368A1/en\n\nsince the hosts and kaggle is cautious about legal issues, I'm feeling that we shouldn't use layers or network with patent issues (e.g. dropout, fasterrcnn)\n\n(I'm just mocking the host. My point is that since this is a competition to build up ideas and not a product, we shouldn't get too concerned in legal stuff.)",
    "919690": "I guess the host is planning to use the solution commercially, in that case, BatchNorm can be used only under google's authorization.\nOtherwise, Google can sue the host to hell .\nI worked in a company which got sued and fined by 10 billion dollars by some US local court, for some ambigous patent.",
    "919722": "wow you had a hell of a roller coaster..\nwe should never forget that Big G is always watching us..",
    "919961": "By the way , it seems we have the same score on leaderboard for now , LOL !!!",
    "919970": "As far as I know, companies like google only patent concepts like BatchNorm to sue back a company in case it sues them unfairly."
  },
  "source": "meta"
}