{
  "id": 131034,
  "title": "Women's data not the same as the men's",
  "url": "/competitions/google-cloud-ncaa-march-madness-2020-division-1-womens-tournament/discussion/131034",
  "author_name": "",
  "post_date": "2020-02-17T21:51:18.559771900Z",
  "votes": 2,
  "comment_count": 2,
  "views": 0,
  "content": "<p>There are a few files that are in the men's competition that are not in the women's competition:\n* NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots\n* SecondaryTourneyCompactResults\n* SecondaryTourneyTeams\n* ConferenceTourneyGames\n* TeamCoaches</p>\n\n<p>I understand that data collection and cleaning requires a tremendous amount of work and I'm grateful for the effort that <a href=\"/jeffsonas\">@jeffsonas</a> and the Kaggle team have made to make this competition possible.  I'm just wondering if there any plans to make these files available in the women's competition.</p>\n\n<p>Note: I'm also not very familiar with the history of basketball and so maybe some of these files are not possible for the women's competition.</p>",
  "messages": [
    {
      "id": "748703",
      "postDate": "02/17/2020 21:51:18",
      "content": "<p>There are a few files that are in the men's competition that are not in the women's competition:\n* NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots\n* SecondaryTourneyCompactResults\n* SecondaryTourneyTeams\n* ConferenceTourneyGames\n* TeamCoaches</p>\n\n<p>I understand that data collection and cleaning requires a tremendous amount of work and I'm grateful for the effort that <a href=\"/jeffsonas\">@jeffsonas</a> and the Kaggle team have made to make this competition possible.  I'm just wondering if there any plans to make these files available in the women's competition.</p>\n\n<p>Note: I'm also not very familiar with the history of basketball and so maybe some of these files are not possible for the women's competition.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "There are a few files that are in the men's competition that are not in the women's competition:\n* NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots\n* SecondaryTourneyCompactResults\n* SecondaryTourneyTeams\n* ConferenceTourneyGames\n* TeamCoaches\n\nI understand that data collection and cleaning requires a tremendous amount of work and I'm grateful for the effort that @jeffsonas and the Kaggle team have made to make this competition possible.  I'm just wondering if there any plans to make these files available in the women's competition.\n\nNote: I'm also not very familiar with the history of basketball and so maybe some of these files are not possible for the women's competition.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "748716",
      "postDate": "02/17/2020 22:04:58",
      "content": "<p>It's a fair question.  Over the years we have gradually added extra information each year to the contests, based primarily on what people seemed to be gathering/requesting informally, and the men's data has a big headstart on the women's data since we only started the women's contest a couple years ago.  This is the first year we've included women's play-by-play data or women's conference affiliations, and last year we added women's geographical data (the city the game was played in) for the first time.  The coaches and secondary tourney info are probably next on the list, although women's historical data is harder to come by than men's, so I'm not sure.  It might even be a higher priority to try and assemble Massey Ordinals for women's.  But there is no plan to add new kinds of data this year, beyond what is already present; it would be next year at the earliest.  For 2020 the only additional thing you can expect (in a few weeks) is data that runs up to the present rather than stopping at the end of last season.  Also note that the NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots file wouldn't work as well for the women's contest because the scheduling of particular slots on particular days is much less consistent over the years, as you can see from the breakdown within \"Data Section 1 file: WNCAATourneyCompactResults.csv\" on the Data Page for this contest.  We would have to add an extra column for year or year range.</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "It's a fair question.  Over the years we have gradually added extra information each year to the contests, based primarily on what people seemed to be gathering/requesting informally, and the men's data has a big headstart on the women's data since we only started the women's contest a couple years ago.  This is the first year we've included women's play-by-play data or women's conference affiliations, and last year we added women's geographical data (the city the game was played in) for the first time.  The coaches and secondary tourney info are probably next on the list, although women's historical data is harder to come by than men's, so I'm not sure.  It might even be a higher priority to try and assemble Massey Ordinals for women's.  But there is no plan to add new kinds of data this year, beyond what is already present; it would be next year at the earliest.  For 2020 the only additional thing you can expect (in a few weeks) is data that runs up to the present rather than stopping at the end of last season.  Also note that the NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots file wouldn't work as well for the women's contest because the scheduling of particular slots on particular days is much less consistent over the years, as you can see from the breakdown within \"Data Section 1 file: WNCAATourneyCompactResults.csv\" on the Data Page for this contest.  We would have to add an extra column for year or year range.",
      "votes": null
    },
    {
      "id": "748727",
      "postDate": "02/17/2020 22:37:11",
      "content": "<p>Thanks for the detailed response.  My takeaway is: no additional data this year; Massey Ordinals, coaches, secondary tourney data as early as next year; NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots will be hard.  Got it. Thank you for making this competition better every year!</p>",
      "rawMarkdown": "Thanks for the detailed response.  My takeaway is: no additional data this year; Massey Ordinals, coaches, secondary tourney data as early as next year; NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots will be hard.  Got it. Thank you for making this competition better every year!",
      "votes": null
    }
  ],
  "comments": [
    {
      "id": 748716,
      "author_name": "jeffsonas",
      "author_url": "",
      "post_date": "02/17/2020 22:04:58",
      "content": "<p>It's a fair question.  Over the years we have gradually added extra information each year to the contests, based primarily on what people seemed to be gathering/requesting informally, and the men's data has a big headstart on the women's data since we only started the women's contest a couple years ago.  This is the first year we've included women's play-by-play data or women's conference affiliations, and last year we added women's geographical data (the city the game was played in) for the first time.  The coaches and secondary tourney info are probably next on the list, although women's historical data is harder to come by than men's, so I'm not sure.  It might even be a higher priority to try and assemble Massey Ordinals for women's.  But there is no plan to add new kinds of data this year, beyond what is already present; it would be next year at the earliest.  For 2020 the only additional thing you can expect (in a few weeks) is data that runs up to the present rather than stopping at the end of last season.  Also note that the NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots file wouldn't work as well for the women's contest because the scheduling of particular slots on particular days is much less consistent over the years, as you can see from the breakdown within \"Data Section 1 file: WNCAATourneyCompactResults.csv\" on the Data Page for this contest.  We would have to add an extra column for year or year range.</p>",
      "votes": null,
      "replies": [
        {
          "id": 748727,
          "author_name": "mmotoki",
          "author_url": "",
          "post_date": "02/17/2020 22:37:11",
          "content": "<p>Thanks for the detailed response.  My takeaway is: no additional data this year; Massey Ordinals, coaches, secondary tourney data as early as next year; NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots will be hard.  Got it. Thank you for making this competition better every year!</p>",
          "votes": null,
          "replies": []
        }
      ]
    }
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    "748703": "There are a few files that are in the men's competition that are not in the women's competition:\n* NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots\n* SecondaryTourneyCompactResults\n* SecondaryTourneyTeams\n* ConferenceTourneyGames\n* TeamCoaches\n\nI understand that data collection and cleaning requires a tremendous amount of work and I'm grateful for the effort that @jeffsonas and the Kaggle team have made to make this competition possible.  I'm just wondering if there any plans to make these files available in the women's competition.\n\nNote: I'm also not very familiar with the history of basketball and so maybe some of these files are not possible for the women's competition.",
    "748716": "It's a fair question.  Over the years we have gradually added extra information each year to the contests, based primarily on what people seemed to be gathering/requesting informally, and the men's data has a big headstart on the women's data since we only started the women's contest a couple years ago.  This is the first year we've included women's play-by-play data or women's conference affiliations, and last year we added women's geographical data (the city the game was played in) for the first time.  The coaches and secondary tourney info are probably next on the list, although women's historical data is harder to come by than men's, so I'm not sure.  It might even be a higher priority to try and assemble Massey Ordinals for women's.  But there is no plan to add new kinds of data this year, beyond what is already present; it would be next year at the earliest.  For 2020 the only additional thing you can expect (in a few weeks) is data that runs up to the present rather than stopping at the end of last season.  Also note that the NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots file wouldn't work as well for the women's contest because the scheduling of particular slots on particular days is much less consistent over the years, as you can see from the breakdown within \"Data Section 1 file: WNCAATourneyCompactResults.csv\" on the Data Page for this contest.  We would have to add an extra column for year or year range.",
    "748727": "Thanks for the detailed response.  My takeaway is: no additional data this year; Massey Ordinals, coaches, secondary tourney data as early as next year; NCAATourneySeedRoundSlots will be hard.  Got it. Thank you for making this competition better every year!"
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